Today and tonight: Immigration open thread
Come back to the Politics Extra blog tonight (or go ahead and post now) as we do an open thread pegged to Bush's speech on immigration tonight. He speaks at 8 p.m.
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Monday, May 15, 2006Come back to the Politics Extra blog tonight (or go ahead and post now) as we do an open thread pegged to Bush's speech on immigration tonight. He speaks at 8 p.m. |
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Post a Comment*I'm sure that the McEwenites will blame "Mean Jean" for the border problem.
Emma,
Please go to http://www.ericzorn.com/bv/blogs/ for a list of Illinois blogs to troll on. Nobody cares about your opinions here. Maybe they will appreciate your insane love of Ken Taftwell.
Emma Morrow said... Previous comments about Illegal Mexican Immigration from Democrat leaders.
Someone left the w(R)ong wing nut loose again !
Emma stop spamming the boards with your rhetoric !
We all know you prefer communism !
By the way Emma, they are monitoring your key strokes and guess what, they're w(R)ong wing stenographers !
They are monitoring your phone records and they are heal clicking w(R)ong wing nuts !
Which do you prefer ?
At least the En-Queers tell you up front they are monitoring you !
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Willie Fisterbottum said...
I'm sure that the McEwenites will blame "Mean Jean" for the border problem.
There is no doubt, Mean jean is an alien !
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We need...
- a wall
- mass arrests and deportations of illegals
- massive fines and prison terms for employers who hire illegals
On CBS Evening News with Bob Schiefer tonight, a California woman who owns property bordering Mexico said:
So long as US taxpayor money is being urinated away sealing borders, better urinated away on my border here than Iraq's.
(I paraphrase liberally.)
why are we going to create new laws when they dont follow the old ones? what happens to those who don't voluntarily step up and pay the fine, or learn english?
It completely dumbfounds me that building a wall seems unreasonable to so many politicians. The government's first duty to America is to protect its citizens from terrorist and potential attacks. Does continuing to allow the free flow of undocumented aliens across our border to the south make any sense in todays world which has Al Qaeda and others threatening and promising to cause us massive death and destruction on an almost daily. Forget immigration as a reason for a wall on our southern border and National Guard troop supporting it, think of terrorism and the horror of September 11 as the driving force for getting this done.
Bush is a lying demagogue who is desperate to say anything to appease his right wing base. He is a desperate loser who is ruining our country
Why do liberals keep exposing all of the bad, corrupt actions that we republicans keep doing? Why can't they just let us do what we want? I hope we can change the constitution and let President Bush finally put all of his programs into effect without a congress, We just don't need a congress anymore.
Emma-na you just don't know what side of the fence your on, do you ?
Are you bi ?
We know you are a communist as you advocate that great wall just like the country that owns us !
We have no one to blame but the w(R)ong wing nuts !
A capitalist will sell you the rope that hangs them !
Isn't it amazing how a mere 3500 lives can strip freedom from the paranoid w(R)ong wing nuts !
That is what happens when you know you are wrong, you try everything to hide your mistakes !
The w(R)ong wing nuts will try anything to divert attention from their culture of corruption.
The coke head's solution to everything is to act like a little hitler and use the military !
Get the plank out of your eye, America !
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The only reason the coke head wants to blockaid Mexico is so they can expand the drug trade through his brothers state !
Just think about Banco !
Narco News
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President Bush should be able to do whatever he wants, even take cocaine, because he is The Decider.
It is our patriotic duty to whatever The Decider decides. If you don't have anything to hide you don't have anything to worry about.
President Bush knows best what is right for this counntry! We don't need a congress to get in his way!
History of the heal clicking w(R)ong wing nuts we call bush
Prescott
little hitler and choicepoint
You guys are idiots. They could build the tallest, widest wall along Mexico, and Al-Quaida could still walk through our airports or across the Canadian border. Did you see CNN's report tonight on the unmanned, unguarded entries into the U.S. to the north? Use some common sense already!! What the hell are all of you so afraid of that you agree to write Bush blank billion-dollar checks on whatever he pleases?
I propose we put a bounty on all illegals after a one year time period for them to rigister to become a guest worker, or work thier way into citizenship. After this one year period, we put a bounty of xxx dollars per illegal, encouraging those who do live rightfully and respectfully and leagally in this country to turnin those who do not.
Also, building a wall, having more manpower on the border are just the first steps to correcting the major problem that immigration has become. We can thanks the previous regime for it, as they had the chance to make a stand in 1994, but chose to avoid the topic for fear of a loss in thier political base. Just a nother "good" thing that Clinton did for us. What a joke.
Hot-Karl Rove has done a fantastic job of splitting the country with another wedge issue. He could have had the President come right out and say, "Don't look at our tremendous failures in governing -- Iraq, Katrina, NSA wiretapping and data mining. Look at these scary brown people INVADING our country." People, please, PLEASE don't buy into these cheap smoke and mirrors political tactics. This is only the beginning. (Wait until they get gay adoption amendments on the ballots and bring flag burning to vote in Congress) Remember we CAN stand up to this administration. Vote Democrat in November and throw these crooked, rubber-stamp, do-nothing Repugs out of office.
Bush is a lying demagogue who is desperate to say anything to appease his right wing base. He is a desperate loser who is ruining our country.
This is just one of the many reasons I hate President Bush. He is the worst president to ever serve this nation and I will be happy when he is gone or better yet- impeached!
A Texas Village is missing it's idiot.
Some liberal atheist is stealing my identity to make me look bad to the NSA & President Bush, who is God's oracle on Earth. I am calling the police!
If you don't support President Bush and all of his policies you are going to burn in hell! All of you liberals are going to hell!
Stop trying to think for yourselves liberals. Do what we conservatives have done and put your trust in the President and let him do the thinking for you.
Come on Emma-Na, the only reason there is a need for a wall is to be like the triad so (w) isn't poisoned like his daddy was !
You don't remember daddy dropping at the last supper ?
It was then that our country was sold !
An antidote and his life for our country !
They said DEAL !
Who received a contact for production on that trip ?
The secondary reason is so the VP's former company can pilferage more tax dollars with non-bid contracts and divert the drug trade through 'jeb' country so the family gets their cut !
You see the decider, likes coke !
I know, as I knew him when!
Don't believe me ?
Do research and start hanging with that Southgate, Mi pioneer that was:
BUSTED FOR PROVIDING FREE CORPORATE PLANE RIDES to the w(R)rong wing family for years.
Who was the informant ?
Surprisingly, the pilots of that corporation would make several trips to florida a week !
That corporation owned their own planes and Bank by heritage.
Once the corporate head was busted he was left to hang with himself in the rain at (w)'s inauguration!
Think jeb, his brothers and banco !
Let's see how interested you are in the truth !
Come on bloggers, tell me the name of the corporate head ?
Why was he left hanging?
Only then shall you be rewarded wih the next clue !
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I think:
Willie Fisterbottum
has been playing with:
Emma-Na
She appears to lack muscle control, diarrhea of the mouth, and speaking out her a** !
Turns out, she is full of schmidt !
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I'm really tired of CNN's pathetic and biased reporting on immigration. Every time I turn the channel, I see Anderson Cooper at some US/Mexican border showing just how easy it is to cross between nations. It seems that he and CNN just love to show the dilapidated fences and holey walls (and sometimes no wall at all!) to prove that the solution to immigration is to erect bigger and stronger walls to shield ourselves from the "poor and illegal" who want to invade our country. This is pathetic! Why doesn't Anderson do his job and show the miles of desert and difficult terrain just past the barbed wire to provide viewers a true picture of the potential death sentence that lies ahead for anyone that tries to cross. Pouring more money into border security and reinforcing walls and fences will only drive people to cross through more dangerous terrain, leading to more casualties. Is this a humane and long-term answer to the immigration issue? I don't think so and I don't think that the American public would think so either. Please proceed in providing honest and comprehensive reporting as this is a very important issue that affects all of our lives...human lives.
Our Country For Sale !
GOP Auction House !
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I'm very sensitive to the Immigration Issue because both my parents came from China in the early 70's.
They had to wait years before they were allowed to become citizens, and they somehow refrained from producing children until they were legal.
They did this not because they didn't love children, instead, they wanted to protect their future kids from the scare of them being deported.
I burn incense every July 18 in memory of my father, and this year I will thank him for being a responsible immigrant instead of cheating the law.
This nation's civil rights movement of the 1960s broke the back of overt white supremacy that prevented black Americans (who were citizens) from enjoying the rights guaranteed to them under the Constitution. Undeniably, the freedoms codified by civil rights-era legislation have made life better for all Americans — regardless of skin color, gender or national origin.
The Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965 (also known as the Hart-Celler Act or the INS Act of 1965) abolished the national-origin quotas that had been in place in the href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States" since the href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924".
It was proposed by href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Celler/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Celler" and heavily supported by href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy" . In the two decades that followed, along with millions of legal immigrants, the U.S. attracted a huge, mainly Hispanic, illegal population -- roughly 3 million of whom received amnesty from Ronald Reagan in 1986.
Illegal immigration describes migration across national borders without complying with the legal requirements.
As of href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1" "July 1, href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004" 2004, Hispanics accounted for 14.1% of the population [including the 11 million illegals]) or about 41.3 million people. Hispanic growth rate over the href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1"July 1, href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003" 2003 to href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1"July 1, href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004" 2004 period was of 3.6 %, higher than any other ethnic group in the United States, and in fact, more than three times the rate of the nation's total population (at 1.0%).
The projected Hispanic population of the United States for href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1" July 1, href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2050/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2050" , is 102.6 million people. According to this projection, Hispanics will then make up 24% of the nation’s total population. href="http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/001720.html/ohttp://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/001720.html"[2]At the same time, the black population is projected to rise from 35.8 million to 61.4 million by 2050, an increase of about 26 million or 71 percent. That would raise their share of the country’s population from 12.7 percent to 14.6 percent.
No matter how you look at it, it is the United State of America not the United States of the Americas. If Mexicans and other foreigners want to make it here legally, more power to them. Let them use the legal means.
Let them earn the rights and citizenship not just have it handed to them because they are here.
We disagree with many immigrant-rights organizers [seemingly only Hispanic Latino] and their sympathizers who seem to be saying that there is some inherent right to enter the United States, thumb their noses at the law [it is against the law to cross the border without permission, even for Citizens] and at the same time make fools out of those who wait patiently in foreign lands for visas to come to the United States.Roughly 60% of the illegal alien populationare undocumented aliens and 40% are nonimmigrant overstayers.
The href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Terrorist_Attacks_Upon_the_United_States/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Terrorist_Attacks_Upon_the_United_States" National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States found that the government inadequately tracked those with expired tourist or student visas.Crossing the border without authorization is a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor" misdemeanor for the first offense and a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony" felony for subsequent violations. Immigrants who are caught illegally trespassing U.S. territory are fingerprinted and immediately returned, unless they are a repeat offender, in which case they may be criminally prosecuted.
The href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986/ohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986" Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) made the hiring of an illegal alien an offense for the first time. American businesses hire well over 10 million illegal aliens per year, with 4.2 million or more normalized into our economy. A 2005 Pew Hispanic Center survey on attitudes toward immigration, conducted in part in Mexico, found that an estimated 70 million adults in Mexico would come to the U.S. if they had the means and the opportunity.About half of those said they would be willing to move to and work in this country illegally.
The study also found that 35% of Mexican college graduates want to come to the U.S., even if that means they would have to work at a job below their qualifications — and many also said they'd be willing to come illegallyImmigrant-rights groups will have to acknowledge that an unchecked flow of unskilled labor drives [over a million a year] down wages for entry-level jobs, rendering all poor Americans, including millions of teenage workers, less competitive.
The reality is that most Americans won't do entry-level labor for the meager wages often offered to undocumented workers. Also in industries where they have concentrated their work the wages have been flat and or decreased in relation to inflation.
Those of us in Cincinnati Change who are Americans who came to America by slavery, have paid the dues, not the over 11 million illegals who broke the laws of this country and the over 5 million children they have had in America. We acknowledge that they have rights as human beings and believe that they should exercise those rights in their own country.
On the other hand, in our country we should have a plan if they don't want to leave America. Cincinnati Change Chairman Fred Hargrove Sr. said: "Our nation’s immigration policy must be consistent with humanitarian values that take in consideration the needs of America’s disadvanted and with the need to treat all individuals with respect and dignity who obey our laws. We must move away from the politics of ostracizing immigrants and instead look at how we can work to meet the needs of our nation"
Cincinnati Change is calling for Congress to enact comprehensive immigration reform with a focus on the enforcement approach in which the United States immigration policies must be consistent with our humanitarian values as expressed in our laws. As public policy, such legislation must address genuine immigration reform that should include proposals that would allow people to earn the right of citizenship through hard work, the commitment of several years, learning english and meeting several security and related requirements.
We also propose a monetary solution whereas they will pay the United States over $350 Billion Dollars over the next 10 years to be used in those areas with the most unemployed Americans. Wew would expand the E-2 program and others in support of reform and increased boarder security.
This money would be used to address the larger economic needs of the nation such as the creation of job training programs and small business programs, as well as federal education assistance to those in areas already identified as in need of help through HUD so that all Americans can have enhanced opportunities.
When this is on the table, then we will look to create an alliance with these people. If not then what global solidarity to us have they shown? Are they going to align with the needs of a America at war, no matter how we got there?
We also feel employers employing those who break the immigration law should be prosecuted as should public officials and religious leaders who aid them. Fines for illegals and their employers would bring in over 60 billion dollars 1/5 of the war costs invested at home - 20 billion world go to making our boarders as secure as possiable.
At the same time if we open up our boarders to 50 million more people under the E-2 visa then the country could look to put over 10 trillion dollars into a second war on poverty in America. This is based on an 40 million new citizens who would pay 200,000 into an account to be a US citizen. the current E-2 rate is 50,000 or 2 trillion dollars.
For those already here after they pay their fine for breaking our laws - 11 million must pay the current fine of $5,000 or $55 Billion Dollars.
This is from the Border Patrol it is a statement
http://www.local2544.org/
Statement: Every day that President Bush and the Senate hold real border security hostage to their misguided amnesty program, thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens continue to flood into the country. Make no mistake, most of them get by us. We are losing this war, and it's not even close. Contact your senators and congressmen now. Tell them to secure the border and tell them to reject amnesty programs (so called "guest-worker").
Bush Plan is a Trojan Horse (1986 all over again) - He and the Senate do not "get it". The Congress "gets it". The American people "get it". Shut the border down to illegal crossings, then start hammering the greedy employers who hire them. Start deporting, we repeat, deporting, the illegal aliens who are here in violation of law. It may take years, but you don't build a house overnight. It's not complicated folks. Promising more AMNESTY is not going to dissuade anyone from coming here. Rewarding the lawbreakers with amesty is not going to solve anything. It just demonstrates that there are rewards for breaking our laws. The Congress should continue to REJECT Bush's calls for amnesty and should continue to stick up for the American people who want this problem stopped now, without AMNESTY provisions. 05-16-06
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