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Monday, October 08, 2007

Corrections study enters "debate"

Hamilton County Commissioners David Pepper and Pat DeWine held a debate Monday night on Issue 27, also known as the "Comprehensive Safety Plan" or the "Super-sized tax increase" depending on who you ask.



An interesting thing about this debate that hasn't been quite so prevalent at some other public speaking engagements was the use of the Vera Institute of Justice. The non-profit organization specializes in helping governments solve justice-related problems. It was contacted last year to compile and analyze data about Hamilton County's corrections system. It issued a report last year and are working now on new numbers to quantify things like who is in jail, and why and how long they stay there.

Both commissioners referenced Vera in their answers to almost every question. The Vera study, its data, and even the institution's very presence in Hamilton County were used by both commissioners to back up their (at times very different) points.

DeWine said Vera studies conclude a bigger jail will just fill up unless the whole justice system is reformed, so therefore he thinks Issue 27 (80 percent of the money goes to jail/jail operations vs. treatment) just won't work.

Pepper argues that the Vera studies actually show that the safety plan, crafted by him and Commissioner Todd Portune, is exactly what will work because it also creates a committee to figure out whether treatment programs are working.

New data from Vera is expected to come out in the next few weeks. So it will be interesting to see what that adds to the Issue 27 discussion. In the meantime, stay tuned for a list of future Pepper/DeWine debates.


10 Comments:

at 12:34 PM, October 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Pa Pa Pa Please !

First'n he was a four it, Now he'n again it !

Pa Pa Pa Pat, you are sooooooo Phony !

When the whine was hind-licking they attempted to conceal the operating cost !

Now, he just reveals himself as a "bold faced' LIAR !

The public can see right through the whine's rhetoric !

Heck, his own wRong wingnut whacko, 'culture of corruption' has left him standing ALONE !

We wonder; when one conceal's the facts, what does one have to hide ?

The real question is if the jail were built under the wRong wingnut whacko regime, where would the money come from to operate the facility ?

The 'fishwRap' won't ask da-whiner's that one: Will they ?

PATHETIC !

STOP Da-WHINE !

HAD ENOUGH:

VOTE NO, on the 'fanatical five' !

VOTE FOR ISSUE 27 !

VOTE, for a real, DEMOCRAT 2007 and JEFFRE !

 
at 1:30 PM, October 09, 2007 Blogger usefullidiot said...

Bold boy,
You have more personalities than L Ron Algore. I can hardly figure out who is speaking today. How in the hell can you scream “ vote for 27 ” and Jeffre at the same time? Am I missing something??

 
at 5:32 PM, October 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's incredible about DeWhine is after getting the Vera Report last year, which stated what he now says, DeWine supported a plan that ONLY built a jail. He proposed nothing to do the reforms he now says are needed. He ignored it completely.

The Safety Plan actually undertakes both the reforms and solves the space crunch. And it works with Vera to get the job done.

DeWhine is the most slippery politician in the region.

 
at 5:57 PM, October 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

VOTE NO ON ISSUE 27!

 
at 7:01 PM, October 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Butler County, 2003 - brand new jail, $43,750 per jail bed

Hamilton County, 2007 - brand new jail, $110,000 per jail bed

VOTE YES ON ISSUE 27 SO WE CAN MAKE MILLIONS!!!!!

 
at 10:40 PM, October 09, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Butler County 2003 - 43K per bed
Hamilton County 2007 -110K per bed

Taxpayers 20...in the future - priceless,

The cost for a new facility will go up and up and up... while do-nothing politicians push this issue onto the next and the next generations.

DaWhine would rather have our kids pay later so he can build a nice little egg nest for himself now -- along with the rest of the Heimlich/ COAST clan

(PS the costs in Butler County were for "expansion" of a facility, not for a "new build" - again apples and oranges in the truth test - courtesy of the fuzzy math guys at COAST)

 
at 8:48 AM, October 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

DeWine is only opposed to Issue 27 because he thinks it will get him re-elected, not because he believes it's a bad plan.

Typical politician. Spineless.

 
at 11:24 AM, October 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

And don't forget, COAST and DeWine supported a MORE EXPENSIVE construction plan last year (for the same number of beds). They weren't pointing to Butler County or other county additions then!!

 
at 10:36 PM, October 10, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 10:40 PM, you are wrong about Butler County. That was for a new facility. Campbell County and Warren County were expansions, but Butler County was building new.

 
at 7:35 AM, October 11, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's face it, DeWine brought in the Vera Institute last year hoping they would say a new jail is not needed. But, to his surprise Vera reported:

"This report contains a set of recommendations on what the County might do immediately to improve outcomes in justice administration as well as improvements that could be made in the future while awaiting any new jail capacity. These recommendations are designed to assist the County in managing its present space as well as govern the use of any additional jail capacity."

Read the entire Vera report and find that the county's inmates are in great need of special services (mental health) and programs (substance abuse) that the current collection of derelict buildings (the Queensgate warehouse) the county calls correctional facilities cannot provide.

Kudos to the commissioners who thought this through for a comprehensive solution.

 
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