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Wednesday, May 14, 2008

So, More About Pit Bulls

On the floor of council today, Cecil Thomas' proposal to change the city's pit bull ordinance failed to get an immediate hearing. It takes six votes to do that; he had five.

He thought he had six, though, Thomas said later. He thought Jeff Berding would be that sixth. But Berding said he voted against it because he'd tried before the meeting to get Thomas to take out the part about training police officers to identify pit bulls, pass that and then send the rest of his proposed changes back through committee for more discussion. When Thomas declined to do that, Berding said, he declined to vote to hear the measure.

Also voting against immediate consideration: Chris Bortz, Roxanne Qualls and Laketa Cole.

Thomas said he'll introduce the ordinance at the Law and Public Safety Committee, which he leads, next week. It's a reworked version of his original and no longer includes a mandate that SPCA Cincinnati take custody of pit bulls. SPCA CEO Harold Dates objected to that. The SPCA deputies still will pick up the dogs, but only after Cincinnati police call them to do so.

Oh, and this might be the best part of the whole thing - with all this fuss over what should be done with pit bulls, the city's contract with the SPCA expired in January 2007. The private, non-profit agency's still picking up and caring for pit bulls pending city prosecutions under the terms of the expired contract, which says the city will pay up to $100,000 a year to house the pit bulls waiting for their owners' court cases.


13 Comments:

at 9:29 PM, May 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Three cheers to Chris Bortz and Jeff Berding for helping to stop these nonsense attacks on pit bulls. I wish all council members had the guts to stand up for what's right and stop blaming these innocent and lovable dogs.

 
at 11:20 PM, May 14, 2008 Anonymous Dave said...

Councilman Thomas - Why do you have such a hate for pit bulls? Yes, they are illegal based on Cincinnati bias, but Breed Specific Legislation is no answer.

- Councilman Thomas - Are you troubled by the amount of dog fighting in Cincinnati? I am. Instead of training officers to ID pit bulls, why not come up with a task force to identify dog fighting rings and euthanize the organizers - not the dogs?

- Are loose dogs scarring citizens? This is a leash law issue. Teach the police to enforce existing leash laws. Have you ever read: "My obedience titled, leashed dog, bit a resident of..." Hmmm, people controlling their pets might just be better than draconian laws that aim at extinguishing a breed. Check that - for pit bulls that may be 20 or more breeds.

- Have you every had issue with a pit bull? I haven't. In fact, all of the pit bulls I've ever been around have been exceedingly loving and simply want human affection.

I wholeheartedly urge ALL of Cincinnati to learn about pit bulls. They are amazing creatures. Only through neglect, torture and abuse do they become the evil that Council makes them out to be. Just look at Michael Vick's dogs. These Vicktory Dogs have made tremendous progress and NONE are listed as dangerous.

In Cincinnati the lack of education kills. In fact, according to the SPCA, it kills over 1100 pit bulls.

 
at 1:03 AM, May 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

A history tidbit - believe it or not, the Humane Society as the SPCA used to be called, was in charge of collecting child support from dead beat dads.

I don't know if this makes more of a statement of how our legislators back then thought of women and children, or the dead beat dads.

 
at 8:24 AM, May 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

So this ordinance did not pass. Please do something for the Cincinnati City Council Members owe it to the following along with those who live in other Cincinnati neighborhoods. ARE YOU LISTENING for the cry of this streets help? I guess 5 of 9 may be listening. Why not take a drive over to Corrine Avenue in your jurisdiction of Cincinnati and ask these neighbors what they must be going through. I can hear their pain from the many blog entries over the past week or so. READ THEM, please!

Again, it should not be about a specific dog breed. An ordinance should be passed concerning any VICIOUS DOG such as those at 3450 Corrine Avenue in Westwood written about this week in the other blog areas about the SPCA failing to assist, etc. I feel badly for the family of the pet beagle GEORGE who was repeatedly bit by Mr. Carlson's dog in their own backyard. Do not know any of these families, but I am praying for the family of the next-door neighbor whose dog was bitten. The 3450 Corrine Avenue's VICIOUS DOGS should be locked away permanently along with the owner himself. Obviously, it is not the dog's fault for it is the owner who allowed his dog(s) to become mean. HELP THIS NEIGHBORHOOD in Westwood!

Is Cincinnati City Council Members really listening to these concerned taxpayers who are asking for HELP prior to someone else getting bit or another animal?

Also, I have read on CAGIS.com about so many citations this individual has received for so many problems he causes. I thank the Lord I do not live next-door to Mr. Rick Carlson of 3450 Corrine Avenue (45238).

 
at 10:43 AM, May 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Also, I have read on CAGIS.com ..."

I concur with ANON 8:24 AM, May 15, 2008. I wanted to help out and let you know the accurate site is www.cagis.org. Thanks for the information above.

 
at 8:46 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do blacks love pit bulls so much? Michael Vick-style dog fighting? Drug dealer protection?

 
at 10:35 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heads up, Westwood! Carlson's property had foreclosure papers filed last week - A0804548. Not only does the County Treasurer want tax money, there's a bunch of other creditors who took the sack for Carlson. Their in line for their pennies, too.

This nuisance hilljacket once ran a home-based operation called St. Joseph Construction, right? Believe it or not, I called him the last decade about a small job & he quoted me a larcenous price. Hell, I could have gone to St. Joseph's burial spot, dug him up after all these centuries & had him do a better job at a sensible price! Of course, I didn't do business with Carlson.

Westwood, hope & pray that all these creditors are successful at running him off your street! They'll probably have to bulldoze the property.

 
at 12:11 AM, May 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perception is reality. And reasonable people have perceptions that pit bulls are a threat. I'm one of them. My personal experience happened in the Tusculum area. I was leaving my car to go to Allyn's around dusk. A door opens from a house and a pit bull excitedely leaves the house well ahead of the owner and has his sites on me. Even though excitiableness is different than an attacking aggressiveness, I didn't care for the dog's interest in me. The stance I took must have helped finally convince the dog, he better not have any interest in me. The owner was neglectful and I admit I gave him the death stare. He didn't like it but I'm convinced he squandered any sympathy he'd have been due from me because of his neglect for people's fear even if it's only perceptive. Screw the dog owners, the dogs don't care if they're banned. Until I see better behavior by the people who own them, I'm unswayed by their arguement which otherwise might have merit.

 
at 7:25 PM, May 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do blacks love pit bulls so much? Michael Vick-style dog fighting? Drug dealer protection?

I've learned it's a blend of both - dog fighting & now to a lesser extent, the protection. Those who don't want the hassle of a dog go in search of the baddest gun they can score.

More importantly, & I'm attempting to keep this as polite & clean as possible, it's their manhood thing. When they have been made to feel inadequate in that area, either being told outright or visually discovering the situation for themselves, then that big man thing equates to having the biggest, baddest dog in the hood. A garbage dog that will take on all comers & kill them all.

It seems there's a never-ending supply of hoodlums out there who aren't happy with what Nature bestowed on them.

 
at 12:34 PM, May 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen 7:25

You are 1000% correct

 
at 4:48 PM, May 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"at 10:35 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous said...
Heads up, Westwood! Carlson's property had foreclosure papers filed last week - A0804548. Not only does the County Treasurer want tax money, there's a bunch of other creditors who took the sack for Carlson. Their in line for their pennies, too.

This nuisance hilljacket once ran a home-based operation called St. Joseph Construction, right? Believe it or not, I called him the last decade about a small job & he quoted me a larcenous price. Hell, I could have gone to St. Joseph's burial spot, dug him up after all these centuries & had him do a better job at a sensible price! Of course, I didn't do business with Carlson.

Westwood, hope & pray that all these creditors are successful at running him off your street! They'll probably have to bulldoze the property."

Where did you locate Mr. Carlson's foreclosure information concerning this property? When viewing Dusty Rhodes website, I do not see it. Please advise for this is very interesting development.

Only thing is ... it still does not help his poor next-door neighbors' bitten dog.

 
at 9:06 PM, May 19, 2008 Anonymous Matt L said...

Bad Dog = Bad Owner
I think a more appropiate response to the city itself learning more about these wonderful dogs is the owners who have let this come to be learn more about the dogs themselves. I am a trained, liscensed falconer, I also own a pit bull/boxer puppy, before I got my first falcon I had to go through a test to prove to the state I was qualified to own and train a potentially dangerous animal, the falcon, I would gladly go through with the same type of testing to keep my puppy. You don't want the extreme of eradicating a certain breed of dog, but on the other side of the spectrum, you don't want people who don't know how to handle a certain breed to have easy access to the breed either. It's not the dog, it's the owners.

 
at 9:49 PM, May 20, 2008 Blogger Proud Responsible Owner Of Rescued Pit Bulls said...

I was one of the many individuals who believed that all pit bulls were monsters and should be destroyed UNTIL I met a pit bull, researched the breed(s) and educated myself with facts - not fiction or media hype. I am an intelligent, educated, white professional female and I can tell you that pit bulls - American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers.. are funny, loving affectionate intelligent WONDERFUL pets and companions. I currently have two and I will never be without one in my home. PLEASE do not let media hype cloud your judgement. Bad owners and bad behavior absolutely should be punished - but the answer is NOT breed specific legislation. Here are some points to consider, thanks to the Animal Law Coalition:

Dogs don't bite because of their breed and communities are not safer unless responsible leaders address the real reasons dogs bite:

1.Pass an effective potentially dangerous dog ordinance:
Assign dogs a level of potential danger,
with restrictions and penalties for each level.

Require spay/neuter, education and training to encourage owners to take responsibility before a serious injury or death occurs.

Dogs and owners can earn lower levels
and dogs can even be declared no longer potentially dangerous.

2.Encourage spay/neuter and support funding for free or low cost spay/neuter.
90% of fatal dog attacks are by dogs that have not been spayed/neutered: There is not a single case of a fatal dog attack by a spayed/neutered pit bull type dog (National Canine Research Council);

81% of dogs involved in bite incidents were not spayed/neutered (Texas 2002 Severe Animal Attack and Bite Surveillance Summary)

3. Mandate spay/neuter for:

Dogs adopted from shelters or rescues or sold by pet stores or online

Dogs impounded more than once after being found at-large or off-leash

Dogs declared potentially dangerous or dangerous

Dogs owned by felons

4. Ban tethering or chaining dogs (also a popular technique by dog fighters to make the dogs more aggressive; the CDC has found tethered or chained dogs are 2.8 times more likely to bite)

Lawrence County, Kansas, adopted an anti-tethering ordinance. From 2005 to 2006, the number of calls concerning cruelty and dog fighting dropped from 800 to 260. Officials attribute the decline in large part to the anti-tethering law.

The USDA and even the AVMA has said tethering dogs is inhumane.

5. Pass and enforce strong at large or leash laws or enforce such laws and encourage micro chipping

82% of dog bites occur as a result of dogs that are running loose (JAVMA, September 15, 2000)

After passing a leash law, the city of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, reported a 35% drop in dog bites.

6. Address through strong laws and education the problem of animal cruelty

Well over half (61%) of fatal dog attacks are by dogs who were not humanely controlled, or who had in some way been abused or neglected (Delise, Fatal Dog Attacks: The Stories Behind the Statistics))

7. Offer free or low cost training and education about the importance of socializing dogs early and making them part of the family.

81% of dogs involved in fatal dog attacks were isolated and not part of the family (Delise, Fatal Dog Attacks: The Stories Behind the Statistics))

8. Pass and enforce strong dog fighting laws that make all aspects of dog fighting illegal and include bonding and forfeiture provisions; organize a dog fighting task force

9. Require dog breeders to register or obtain licenses, limit breeding by age and numbers, ban breeding for aggression and fighting, ban the sale of dogs in pet stores and along roadsides, street corners or sidewalks; require inspections of breeders' facilities and track sales of dogs by breeders.

10. Stop the cultural glorification of violence especially involving pit bull type dogs.

Please take the time to find out.

 
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