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Thursday, May 08, 2008

SPCA CEO: We Don't Enforce City Laws


Harold Dates, CEO of SPCA Cincinnati, talked today about the proposed changes to Cincinnati's pit bull ordinance.

He doesn't mind the part about training 10 officers (five in each district) in how to identify a pit bull. The SPCA, he said, is happy to do that training.



But what he can't do, he said, is "be compelled to remove pit bulls." The private, non-profit agency enforces only the Ohio Revised Code, he said, not city ordinances. State law does not ban pit bulls, while Cincinnati does.



And he doesn't like the idea that the SPCA would be stuck in the middle between pit bull owners and the police/prosecutors who might encourage the owners to give up the dogs in order to have charges dismissed.



"I don't think that's fair to us," Dates said. "We get enough animals as it is." (More than 16,000 dogs and cats in 2006)



He also disagrees with the ordinance's proposal that owners be able to voluntarily forfeit dogs to the SPCA. "It seems to me that they should be forfeiting custody to the city of Cincinnati because that's the law that they violated."



The SPCA would, then, house the dog under its contract with the city police department, which agrees to pay up to $100,000 a year to house pit bulls confiscated as part of court cases. It costs about $20 a day to house a dog.



Council discussed the ordinance, put forth by Cecil Thomas, for more than 30 minutes Wednesday before Mayor Mark Mallory decided to hold it a week.



31 Comments:

at 5:09 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Council Members should take a look at 3450 Corrine Avenue - where the one of many vicious dogs just bit the next-door neighbors' dog (little beagle). The beagle which was bitten is presently in the vet hospital for the second time due to the same dog biting it. These dogs pin neighbors in their cars and show their teeth automatically and stand in an attack formation. Now, this to me is taking away the freedom (quality of life) of the law-abiding surround neighbors.

We need more laws or enforcement because the present SPCA does not do a very good job. Sometimes they do not even show-up!

Thank you Council Member Thomas for working on this issue. Please support it quickly before one of our children are severely injured from 3450 Corrine Avenue's dogs.

 
at 5:11 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Cincinnati Enquirer should do some investigative work on the 3450 Corrine Avenue - owner of the dogs. You should show the beagle who was bit and how the innocent are always the victims of those who are criminals such as this owner.

Michelle Hopkins of Channel 5 news did a report on this same owner because the same dogs would chase the mailman. I remember viewing this story because the neighbors on Corrine Avenue had to purchase a special mailbox for curbside service due to their neighbor's neglect. Initially, they had no mail delivery and had to pick-up their mail for months.

How can we live in today's world and take away taxed paid services such as mail delivery because of a neighbor who does not care or follow laws allowing his dogs run loose? To this date, I always wanted to get hear the follow-up on this story. Now, it is even sadden due to the little beagle being bit.

See if The Cincinnati Enquirer can get the bottom of this mess.

 
at 5:20 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

meanwhile the county auditors office is chasing down a single mother of 2 in green township who has an unlicensed pooch...hamilton countty's priorities-upside down as usual.

 
at 5:52 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The county auditors office isn't "chasing down" anyone. They are advising people who publicize their pets that they are required to get them licensed.

Whether they do or not is up to them. The county auditors office has no authority to enforce that law. That duty belongs to the Dog Warden.

 
at 5:53 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait- They don't get any tax money according to the previous blog, now they get up to $100,000/yr. from the city to house Pit Bulls. Which is it? That's 5,000 days of Pit Pulls, or 13 a day.
How many are they housing under this law?
If they SPCA doesn't want to do it, why don't we get a dog catcher- like every other city?

 
at 6:29 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The price of housing these predators will look cheap the next time a small child is attacked. Pit Bulls tend to go for the face and throat. And they don't just nip at their victims. I'll leave it at that. It's not a decision I would want to live with, if I was on council and had an opportunity to improve the situation, and didn't.
Also, once the owners see that the law is being enforced, they will not want to get caught up in the system over a dog. I would bet that 80% of Pit Bull owners in the city have previous records, and adding another 3 or 4 misdeamenors for each dog to their record would not be welcomed.
A strong commitment by city council can turn this problem around. Gamesmanship on council will put citizens in danger, and will not help our city's image at all.

 
at 6:30 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is the SPCA our official Dog Warden if they don't want to be "compelled" to enforce our laws?

 
at 7:20 PM, May 08, 2008 Blogger NorCalTim said...

Love. What is love.
You can not touch it.
Or can you.
A loving wife can be touched.
My 2 dogs Pandora and Cypress can be touched.
My past girl friends who I was in love with could be touched (one of them by my friend with out me knowing, but thats another story).

Love. Can you hold it in your hand?
I can hold my dogs in my hand.
They are pure bread American Pit Bull Terrier.
The breed is very smart, strong and loving.
No other breed has been temperament tested (by way of 2 dogs in battle with
2 dog handlers with in inches of the fight knowing that the dog would never
bite them) the way the APBT has.
Love.
I would never, ever, ever even think about fighting my dogs.
I have never seen, wanted to see, or been to a dog fight (or a cock fight for that matter).
Does that mean I can not respect how someones grandpa can win The Ultimate Strong Man competition,
or be boxings' Heavy Weight Champion of the World?
Love.
Does that mean that you love unconditionally.
Can I say "I love the way I see your grandpa Swartz in your eyes to your Jewish grandson
wile being in front of Nazi guards looking for Jews to exterminate and throw in jail?
I love my Jew.
I love my American Pit Bull Terrier.
Hear me scream.
Here me Thomas Jefferson!
Here me god!
Here me you people on the "left" trying to take away my rights.
Here me people on the "right" trying to take away my rights.
Here me fellow amputees who are in pain!
Here me single people who have no family but there pet!
Here me!
Here me!
Here me! The humane society openly hired ALF members and claim to want to help the APBT -
by putting them to sleep.
The rights that are the most important are the ones you don't believe in.
America here me!
America I cry for you.

I am 34 years old.
What has happed to our freedom loving ways?
Is it just the "headline mentality", or are we as a country judging people way to much?

Punish the deed, not the breed.

Any one remember Our Gang.
The Little Rascals?
The dog Pete was a match dog.
He was an APBT.
Did you ever see him act mean toward the kids?
Were they scared, or did they love the dog Pete with his big black circle around one eye?

My dogs have been on TV to promote kids to be good people.
It was a 3 minute Character Education Program that ran on many cable channels.
We should have made one for the "adults",
I think they needed it more.
They wanted to pay me for the use of them, but I said no.
Its my duty to help make the APBT more respected and loved.
It helped!

My photo of my dog Cypress was chosen to be displayed at a local museum in a photo contest.
She did not win, but the breed did!
Among various photos was mine.
"Cypress at the Salmon".
A older lady asked me at the opening night show "where is the Cypress tree".
I told her the dog was named Cypress.
Cypress and her puppies were the only photo used in the American Dog Breeders Association magnet
handed out at the Las Vegas Dog Convention in 2003.
They were used for the cover of the ADBA Spring 2003 gazette.
Our girl Addy is helping mentally disabled children at a school in San Francisco.
The parents and kids love their Addy.

Come and kill her.
Come and take Addy away from the children in the Bay Area.
She is Vicious!
She is a pure bread American Pit Bull Terrier.
Thousand of family members killed off in Denver!

I will die for her.
I will die for America.
We fought (along with our dogs, some of which were APBTs') to long for our rights to loose them in
my life time.

Cypress is love.
Pandora is love.
A strong marriage, thats love.
The bond between myself any my family who live 720 miles away, thats love.
Willing to die for your family, that is love.

Good luck America.
I still love you.


a guy trying to keep the SS away

 
at 7:56 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The county dog waden serves the entire county to enforce the Ohio Revised Code, not some stupid city ordinance.

Good point on the Auditor, they now have another address to check for license compliance...go get them Dusty.

 
at 8:48 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oddly enough- Cecil Thomas is STILL AN IDIOT!

 
at 9:45 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have spent my entire adult life cringing at the stupidity, and self serving proposals exposed by politicians. Consider following, generally accepted laws, contained in Cincinnati Municipal Codes directed towards vicious dogs. The Chattering neighbors on Corrine Ave only need summon an armed agent to enforce the law. I hope Mayor Mallory spends the next week reading the City’s Code, we don’t need additional laws.

Sec. 701-1-D-1. Dangerous Dog.
"Dangerous dog" shall mean a dog which has:

(1) without provocation while off its owner's or harborer's premises, caused an individual to reasonably believe that the dog will cause physical harm to a person;

(2) a propensity or disposition to unprovokedly attack or cause injury to humans or domestic animals off its owner's or harborer's premises.

Sec. 701-1-V. Vicious Dog.
"Vicious dog" shall mean any dog which:

(1) without provocation, has inflicted severe injury on a person; or

(2) has been trained for dog fighting or is kept primarily or in part for the purpose of dog fighting; or

(3) is a dog commonly defined as a pit bull; or

(4) has been used in the commission of a crime.

Sec. 701-5. Vicious Dog to be Properly Confined or Leashed.

The owner or harborer of a vicious dog shall:

a. When the dog is indoors secure all means of egress so that the dog may not exit;

b. When the dog is outside and on the premises of the owner or harborer, confined at all times in a roofed, securely fenced, and locked, barricade designed so that the dog may not dig its way out. The barricade must be at least six feet in height measuring from the ground with an attached top, and posted with a sign stating vicious dog by both symbol and words, and constructed so that a child can not penetrate the barricade with his hand;

c. When the dog is off the premises of the owner or harborer, muzzled and securely restrained with a leash not exceeding three feet in length and under the control of a competent adult. In the alternative said vicious dog may be confined in a locked crate which is constructed of material of sufficient strength to prevent escape and posted with a sign stating vicious dog by both symbol and words, and constructed so that a child can not penetrate the barricade with his hand;
d. When the dog is in a vehicle or is being transported in an open truck bed, or other conveyance, it shall be confined in a locked crate or cage which is constructed of material of sufficient strength to prevent escape and posted with a sign stating vicious dog by both symbol and words, and constructed so that a child can not penetrate the barricade with his hand.

Sec. 701-99. Penalties.
a. Whoever violates 701-4, 701-6, 701-8, or 701-9 shall be guilty of a second degree misdemeanor.

b. Whoever violates section 701-5 or 701-7 shall be guilty of a first degree misdemeanor.

c. In addition to a and b, any vicious dog which attacks a human being or domestic animal may be ordered destroyed when, in the court's judgment, such vicious dog represents a continuing threat of severe harm to human beings or domestic animals.

d. In addition, any person found guilty of violating section 701-5 shall pay all expenses including shelter, food, and transportation of the dog, expenses for identification of the breed of animal and veterinary expenses necessitated by the seizure of any dog for the protection of the public.

 
at 12:50 AM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

With the way things are going in the US< I can't help but think the Republican Party has scrwed things up beyond belief. Therefore, I want to vote Democrat. The problem is, I look at the places Democrats have run for decades, like Cincinnati, and I sure as heck don't want that mentality to take over the nation.

 
at 8:09 AM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

A really big part of this problem- a really big part- is that we have a dog Warden who is reluctant to pick up dogs. This is a serious problem.

 
at 8:17 AM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 9:45- we are talking about the Pit Bull law here- you did not print that. In real life, out side of the blog world, there is a problem with enforcement of that part of the law. The ordinance that did not pass this week would help with the enforcement of a law that is already on the books.

 
at 10:04 AM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is obvious from the photo that the Dog Warden has been bitten by the puppy love bug. That is great, be we need a warden who actually wants to enforce animal laws in our City. If he is not the one to do it, we need someone else.

 
at 11:03 AM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:09 and 10:04 - the Dog Warden cannot enforce city code. It's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of law. The SPCA enforces STATE law - and there is no pit bull ban under STATE law. So you are way off base in blaming the Dog Warden.

 
at 11:36 AM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANON, 5:09 PM, May 08, 2008:

I certainly hope these dogs at 3450 Corrine Avenue have their rabies shots.

This should be under investigation and checked into more so than a dog license. Both are extremely important, but rabies shots are moreover the upmost important part. From reading your comments and others on the other blog about dogs, I bet my life on it this irresponsible owner does not have dog licenses or rabies shots for any of the dogs.

Hopefully, both matters will be taken care of for The Corrine Avenue neighbors. Rabies can kill someone and another animal! The SPCA should be all of this matter to make sure nobody is in harm's way.

I agree with the other writer too that The Cincinnati Enquirer should follow-thru by champion this story by taking pictures or retrieving more details from surrounding neighbors (get the whole story). They should ask the CPD#3 and SPCA what is taking place and how this situation will be taken care of. Then we will all know what to do if it happens in our neighborhood.

Thank you for sharing your story about Corrine Avenue. It is very educational; but also, it is very hurtful to know that your neighborhood has been going through this for so so so many years. Sorry to the family whose dog was bitten. I certainly pray he will recover.

 
at 1:41 PM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:03
You are describing the problem. Anyone can hear that all day long if they phone in a pit bull sighting. The police dispatchers are often not even aware that pit bulls are illegal.
I am talking about a solution. We need an agency that is willing and able to get rid of pit bulls. With the current SPCA situation, we have neither.

 
at 3:18 PM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

UMMMM, HEY 8:17 AM, May 09!

Read 701-1-V (3) which reads, is a dog commonly defined as a pit bull tell me, what is unclear? What is your perceived problem with enforcement? I have owned two Pit bulls, neither aggressive, or violent. The breed is not the problem, its how the animal is raised. Banning a particular breed is discrimination, there are ample statues in existence to deal with problem animals.

 
at 3:56 PM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:18
Two very real problems with enforcement are addressed by this ordinance-
1)We now have to rely on the often unavailable and sometimes reluctant SPCA to make the call as to ID'ing a Pit Bull. This would authorize cops to do that.
2)Now, the city gets stuck paying to house the pit bulls pending court outcomes, which can take months. This ordinance puts it back on the offender.

 
at 9:18 PM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow-
Someone is really going after that corrine address
look it up here-
http://cagisperm.hamilton-co.org/cpop/permits/address.aspx

 
at 4:44 AM, May 11, 2008 Anonymous cincycapell said...

12:50 is a transparent rethuglican concern-troll.

 
at 1:45 PM, May 11, 2008 Anonymous MaBoozeSack said...

I apologize for my impersonation efforts at 4:44 AM. When Dorothy takes me to Oz and gives me courage, I'll start posting under my own name.

 
at 6:00 PM, May 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need a vicious dog law, NOT a breed specific law.
With a vicious dog law, your "pit bulls" would be confiscated, but so would all those that are "questionably" pit bulls. It would be a law based on past behavior of the particular animal, not on just it's looks.
And there is a reason why it's so hard to get an official to make a claim that a dog is a "pit bull" - because there IS no such thing. The commonly referred to "pit bull" is often an American Stratfordshire Terrier, but could also have some American Bull Terrier or other breed in it's background.
Heck - we've had people say our boxers are pit bulls! The only thing they would do is lick you to death.

 
at 8:18 PM, May 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cincy Capped is a liberal goof ball with a strange fascination for Jeff Capell. She's blogging at 4:44 trying to get a response from poor Jeff.

 
at 9:54 PM, May 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone is really going after that corrine address
look it up here-


Yikes! I can't believe Westwood has put up with this hillbilly trash all these years! It doesn't seem like the City is really aggressively pursuing these quality of life issues at all. It woulsd be a frosty day in he&& when kids would sit on the roof & shine a flashlight in my windows!

City Hall has been dithering & tinkering with this pit bull/vicious dog stuff for years. They always fall short of an ordinance that really (pardon the pun) has teeth in it. Other countries have outlawed the pit bull & other nasty breeds a long time ago. Several years ago, some countries ordered that the pit bulls be rounded up & put down.

There's a difference between American Staffordshires & pit bulls. Most of the pit bulls you see on a wash line for a leash are junk bred in the backyard by a bunch of drug dealers. They're junk & a lot of them are in-bred.

For my penny's worth, let the police officers & sheriff's deputies ID vicious/junk mutts, round 'em up & put 'em down someplace. Then, take the owners to Court. The local law is the law & it's in place for a very good reason. Children & family pets of other owners are being mauled by the fiendish beasts & they'll suffer needlessly for the rest of their lives, without one dime of compensation.

Gawd, somebody needs to do something about that Corrine Ave. nightmare dump right away. Yesterday was way too late!!!

 
at 9:18 AM, May 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enough of the BS. Harold Dates has stated in the article, that his agency upholds Ohio Revised Code not City of Cincinnati ordinances. This seems as though the City Council should have the Police Department enforce this as well as other City Ordinances. There is a reason why the agency is labeled Hamilton County SPCA, not City of Cincinnati SPCA. I guess the mind set is that because the main (an only location for many years)location is located in Northside and within the Cty of Cincinnati. I have used the services of this agency in the past and have only praise for the people that work there. Bottom line, is dogs ( no matter the breed) are not born as a "Mean" dog, people make the dog (breed) mean.

 
at 5:45 PM, May 12, 2008 Anonymous jbrumm said...

What don't people understand here? This ordinance doesn't support the pit bull ban or do away with it either way. It also doesn't encourage the owners to give up the dogs in order to have the charges dismissed. It doesn't say that anywhere. Have all these people arguing about the bigger idea even read this law?

 
at 9:13 PM, May 12, 2008 Anonymous Jack Ruby said...

Looks like city council's trying to find a patsy for when they get rid of the pb ban. Hope you're not in a movie theatre when another defenseless beagle gets attacked Lee Harvey Dates!

 
at 9:22 AM, May 13, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:09 PM, May 08, 2008 - If this owner lived next-door to Council Members of Cincinnati, the 3450 Corrine Avenue resident's situation would have been taken care of LONG LONG LONG before now. Why is the City of Cincinnati allowing this unlawful person to destroy this neighborhood? Westwood is trying so hard to get its neighborhood but to the way it was before the City destroyed it. At the least, this round of Council Members of Cincinnati could do is take a good look into this case AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I bet you would like these same residents to vote for you next round AND would not hesitate to ask them for money. This case is annoying and very upsetting to read about.

9:54 PM, May 11, 2008 - I concur with this person's comments, too.

 
at 11:32 AM, May 13, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Council Members should take a look at 3450 Corrine Avenue - where the one of many vicious dogs just bit the next-door neighbors' dog (little beagle). The beagle which was bitten is presently in the vet hospital for the second time due to the same dog biting it. These dogs pin neighbors in their cars and show their teeth automatically and stand in an attack formation. Now, this to me is taking away the freedom (quality of life) of the law-abiding surround neighbors.

We need more laws or enforcement because the present SPCA does not do a very good job. Sometimes they do not even show-up!

Thank you Council Member Thomas for working on this issue. Please support it quickly before one of our children are severely injured from 3450 Corrine Avenue's dogs.

5:09 PM, May 08, 2008"

From what I have read and quoted, this writer is praying to get some resolution and assistance from the City of Cincinnati's departments. He/She never once indicated this had anything to do with a pit bull. They are upset because this resident at 3450 Corrine Avenue apparently has vicious dogs and causes numerous concerns to the neighbors surrounding his residence. I do not think anyone of else should have to go through what appears to be going on in this Westwood location.

As noted previously, get them some help!

 
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