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Thursday, May 08, 2008

Paid sick days drive starts today

Here's an AP story, followed by the press release announcing the 2 p.m. press conference:

From AP: Thursday is the deadline for state lawmakers to act on a proposed bill that would require most Ohio companies to provide workers with at least seven paid sick days each year.

The bill’s supporters say that, without action by legislators, they plan to collect enough signatures to put the issue on the ballot in November.

The coalition had collected 268,000 signatures to submit the Ohio Healthy Families Act to the Legislature. It would need an additional 120,683 valid signatures to place the measure before voters.

The bill would affect businesses with 25 or more employees. It is heavily supported by organized labor, whose members tend to vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

From Ohioans for Healthy Families

Columbus - The 200 member Ohioans for Healthy Families coalition is set to announce its plan to take paid sick days to the November ballot.

WHEN: 2:00PM, THURSDAY, MAY 8, 2008
WHERE: PROGRESS OHIO HQ (251 S. 3rd Street, Cols)

Ignoring the 270,000 Ohio voters who signed petitions calling for enactment of paid sick day legislation, the Ohio General Assembly has failed to pass or even vote on the Ohio Healthy Families Act within the time allotted under the "initiated statute" provision of the state Constitution. Accordingly, the coalition sponsoring the legislation will begin gathering the additional petition signatures necessary to place the measure directly on the November, 2008 ballot.

Said Communications Director Dale Butland:

"It's hard to imagine how the leadership of the General Assembly could have been more disdainful of the 2.2 million Ohio workers and families who lack paid sick days and were counting on their elected representatives to help them out. Since receiving the Healthy Families Act in early January, those who control the legislature have given the bill exactly one pro forma hearing, cancelled two others, and refused to schedule a vote.

Though many individual legislators have made it clear that they support and would vote for paid sick days ---and though polls show overwhelming public support for such legislation ----the leadership's message to the voters is clear: 'Drop Dead.'

And since a ballot fight is clearly what they want, a ballot fight is what they will get. At Thursday's news conference, OEA Vice President Bill Leibensperger will explain why the Ohio Education Association has decided to join the fight, and small business owner John Semachko of Cleveland will relate his personal experience with granting paid sick days to his company employees. Coalition Campaign Manager Brian Dunn will detail the next steps in the campaign to bring paid sick days to hardworking Ohio families.

And to the hypocrites in the General Assembly who enjoy paid sick days themselves at taxpayer expense but refuse to pass it for others, we say: 'buckle up.'"


at 10:47 AM, May 08, 2008 Blogger Xxter said...

I would strongly disagree with a legistlative act that mandates this benefit. But it would be sadder still if in Ohio the public could vote themselves a benefit at the polling places to be extracted at the expense of companies who try to do business here. Didn't that just happen with the minimum wage? What next, unlimited paid leaves of absence? Profit sharing? This is a benefit that will be abused and amounts to nothing more than another week of paid vacation. More and more the euphamism "NoHio" is an apt description of a once proudly competitive State.

at 10:53 AM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is just ridiculous. Why do Democrats, unions, and other special interests intent on pushing gov't mandates as the "solution" to every problem always think that you can get something for nothing?? THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH! If businesses are required to do this, they will either just (a) reduce the number of paid vacation days by 7 to offset; (b) reduce the number of people they employee to cut costs; (c) pass the increased cost of having employees on to the consumers of their products/services; or (d) relocate out of Ohio (or not locate here in the first place). If this law passes, it will HURT Ohioans overall. Any time you see unions pushing something, you can pretty much know that it's a bad idea.

at 11:01 AM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pretty simple, really. If you don't like that your current employer doesn't give psid sick days, then LEAVE. You are perfectly free to do so. But then, most positions that don't have paid sick days are those that don't require high degrees of education or skill. So the folks behidn this are essentially saying that we need to reward the people who don't develop the skills necessary to be in demand (so as to command better benefits) by FORCING employers to pay for something the market doesn't demand. And you DO know that these costs will be passed on right? So essentially those of us who HAVE developed the skills are being asked to subsidize those who refuse to or are unable to. Yeah...that sounds VERY fair.

at 11:21 AM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This sounds wonderful...until you actually read the bill. It should be called the "Employee Hangover No-Show Free Pass Act" This bill is another liberal, don't trust the big bad employer piece of s*#2 idea. To add insult to injury, it is about as cumbersome as it could possibly be for any employer to correctly administer. This is about as bad as it gets for all business. Do NOT vote for it!

at 11:40 AM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

At a time when Ohio is losing jobs , someone thought it would be a good idea to create mandates that will raise the fixed cost of employment for companies. Brilliant! Lets give companies another reason to not locate to Ohio. Its misguided, feel-good government tweaking like this that has turned Ohio into a joke.

at 12:20 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This whole farce is nothing more than an attempt by a liberal group to find an issue which Democratic inclined voters are ipassionate about so that they go to the polls and vote for Obama. They seem to forget that they complained loudly when the Republicans did it with gay marriage.

On the substance, this is just plain stupid. Simple economics 101 principles dictate that employers will reduce (1) paid vacation (2) pay rates or (3) the amount of employees. Ohio's "hardworking families" will be no better off.

at 12:43 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reading all the other emails before mine, I'm not on here to argue, etc. I think that giving paid sick days is a good idea, however there is always going to be a few bad apples anywhere you go. Having a family and small children, one day without pay can be atrocious for a lot of hardworking families. Look at the prices of everything that has gone up besides gas. So I can see how it could be hard for people to not have a paid sick day, people really do get sick.

at 12:53 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

One genius after another. There are plenty of companies that make money hand over fist that could afford to reward ALL of their employees with this kind of respect and fairness. There are plenty of companies in Ohio that already do this. Would the same George W Republiot quit blogging while on the clock in their cubicle.

at 1:00 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting comments.. but none based on fact. I have a college degree, work for the 2nd largest employer in the Cincinnati area and there is no policy in place for me to have 7 sick days. In fact, if I have 7 sick days in a year, I get written up for attendance. I don't know if anyone that has already replied has kids or not, but the fact of the matter is... kids get sick. Then again, so do adults. Is seven days for the year too much to ask? Should I or anyone else get written up or fired for caring for our children. If people are going to rag on Democrats, here is some information for Republican elitist's. Not everyone falls into your perfect category of workers. We can't have an entire state of office workers. For our state to work we need employment in all wage ranges. Why should the lower wage jobs not have any protection to their employment. What will you elitists do when there is no one to take your trash to Rumpke hill, watch you kids at your local day care, or fix your Mercedes Benz?

at 1:01 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go ahead, give sick days. My paid holidays can be taken, keep employee census low, may have to pay even more for health benefits. Maybe I'll get laid off, at least then I won't have to put gas in the car for work. I like that I have people watching out for me.

at 1:04 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the " 12:43 PM, May 08, 2008" poster. Very well put.

at 1:09 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, the previous posters must be either one and the same or a bunch of neocon repugs that could care less about the world outside themselves. I've got news for you greedy corporate profit at all cost thugs. If you want to continue to do business in America, then you had better play by the rules that Americans set and not by those that your greedy bosses set. Operating a business in America requires certian ethics which should benefit ALL Americans and not just those in powerful positions with separate superior benefits. Those of you who would say that this makes Ohio even less competitive, I would say the previous Taft administration accomplished that all by themselves. To those business that pay minimum wage and expect employees to be on time and healthy, let me remind you fools that cars do break down and people without health insurance do get sick and typically take longer to return to work without a doctors care. You can't have it both ways. The unequality between the working class is getting bigger. As long as that is the case, isues like this will continue.

at 1:11 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of hypocrisy, I once worked one summer for an issue campaign promoted heavily by labor unions. After a long and hard day of work, I made a *joke* about forming a union and was taken to task privately by several supervisors and told not to joke about that and I would be fired if I tried to do so.

I wonder if this campaign will give sick paid days to their employees.

at 1:15 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous jane said...

Paid sick days are very important. It protects the health of everyone around. Ever been served by a sick waiter or waitress? Yuck. Though paid sick days are good business practices, some business refuse -- making employees show up when they are ill.

As for abuse, if someone abuses their sick days, that would be grounds for dismissal. Finally, most of the employers who don't offer paid sick days don't offer paid vacation either.

at 1:28 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is crazy. Many businesses are struggling today just to keep the doors open. Another costly mandate is the last thing they need.

Don't you just love the class warfare..."There are many rich companies..." "Respect" and
"fairness" is not the issue.

State and county employees get 15 days of paid sick leave a year and the privilege is often abused.
Mandated sick leave encourages some people to stay home when they have a hangnail.

at 1:32 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a single parent, I raised my son working at an unskilled job, with no health benefits at all - including paid sick days. If I did not work - we did not eat. One of the responses above stated that it is unfair to expect skilled workers to provide this benefit for the unskilled. Unskilled personnel work just as hard and contribute just as much (if not more in many cases) to our economy as those who spent 4 - 8 - 12 or more years in college (paid for by mom & dad a lot of the time - and still cannot spell or type). Should unskilled employees be penalized just because they did not or could not attend college? In the first place, they earn a considerably lower wage (try living on minimum wage and raising a family). There are many reasons why a person does not go on to college - like finances or family responsibilities. Not all of us are too ignorant to go as this person implies. This country is based on the "little guy", whether individuals or small businesses. Seven days may be excessive, but companies - even smaller ones - should allow a mother or father paid time to stay home and take care of a sick child - or stay home themselves when sick so as not to spread the illness to others at work. Besides, a sick employee at best, will perform at less than 100%. And "fair"? Is there anything in this life that IS fair? I am 60 years old and I have not seen it yet. We just need to be there for each other. And employers - if you want productive workers - you need content workers. Will a few paid sick days really break you? I think not!

at 1:33 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is just another attempt by labor unions to destroy the economy of the state (and the country is probably in their long-term goals). The unions should be disbanded and outlawed. The only thing that they have EVER done that has improved industry in this country, which are safety requirements, has become a function of OSHA. Since then, unions have had a way to drive up costs of goods by driving up salaries and benefits of union workers to levels that are not warranted by industry and the educational requirements of such jobs. This is why there is lots of goods being manufactured in China, Japan, Korea, and Mexico.

at 1:45 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

the real and feigned outrage at a reasonable proposal is pretty funny. after 28 years of pro corporate governance by the neocons and clintons, people are sick and tired of the abuse. its time for the pendulum to swing back and take care of the middle class.

at 1:46 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous at 1:32 PM and Jane.

If it is a good business practice then businesses, employees and customers will gravitate to it over time. We are talking about passing a law here. Every time the government creates a law it is essentially saying that it can put a gun to your head and tell you that you must, or must not, do something. Is this proposal worth that?!

at 1:47 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The mentality of people on this comment section is amazing. People are people and not some worker robots. Some day this old generational view of work being the most important thing in people's life will erode with your passing on and a new generation taking the healm. Fact is people get sick and America has a very high level of work ethic already. In Europe they have 35 hour work weeks, long-lunches, month off in the summer for holiday. Results happier citizens not like here which we seem to have stressed out overweight workers which cannot ever seam to get ahead. Time for profits to take a break and quality of life to take the lead. Greed is the root cause of all America's problems. If your against this kind of thing then you probably have plenty in your life to loose and the fear is getting to you. Relax. You could have been born in Africa or another country where a struggle in life would be for real. Is it so much to give people 7 days out of 260 workdays or so a year? really?

at 2:17 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more with the 1:00pm posting. Took the words right out of my mouth.

at 2:34 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a single parent, some college(paid my way), middle class (barely), worked (WORKED) my way up to management over 12 years starting when I was a teenager. Business will make their money, that is how they survive. I agree with the previous, they will get the money lost back from consumers, take away vacation, or cut jobs. If a company can provide things and still make money, they will get and keep employees. If another company is forced to provide things and can't make money, they fail and the employees lose their jobs. Businesses may be the bad guy, but without them, no one has a job. Companies don't exist to make everyone money, they pay us to make money for them. If we could do it without them, why don't we? They offer the benefits that they offer, if you dont like it, find someplace else. Either way, you're working and you're getting paid. Unions proved a function in the past, but their benefical usefullness for the "middle class" has waned. Governmental actions like this is worst than the unions. Maybe I listened to my Grandpa too much when he said "A day's wages for a day's work." If I'm sick and not at work, why does my employer have to pay me for being sick as well as pay someone else to take my place. I don't think it is the government's place to decide, its my employer's. And its my place to decide if I want to be his employee.

at 2:43 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:47, if Europe is so great, why are so many more Europeans moving here than Americans moving there?

at 4:21 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

well i have read all the responses to this article and concluded that most of the nay sayers are grouchy hate life and simply just dont get it,how many times have our law makers voted themselves raises from the local level all the way up 2 washington?and if it passes in ohio it will make it in other states as well so companies will not be to run from it here.to touch on jobs that go to china,india,mexico our big gready corporate upper level management dont send jobs out of the country to compete they send them out to make even more money than they would have keeping those jobs here then we sit back and complain these countries dont do enough to curb green house gases,why do you think they went there ? relaxed environmental standerds,i say we should get as many sick days as our law makers get it is my tax dollers that pay there saleries,so why should i get less?

at 4:26 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

What will you elitists do when there is no one to take your trash to Rumpke hill, watch you kids at your local day care, or fix your Mercedes Benz?

None of these places are hurting for employees, last I looked. In fact, the market seems to be oversaturated with the first two and, though I don't own a Mercedes, I haven't seen my car dealer or the local Jiffy Lube lacking people. In fact, they seem to be employing too many people, judging from the amount of time they have to sit around and do nothing.

at 4:27 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Kent Evans said...

This is one of those, do you "require" something of someone else we all know would be a good thing to exist. The need to work is essential, and if "requiring" something is ever necessary, I'd like to think those who work would be given the benefit. I understand the lazy worker exists as well. Don't bore me thinking with that argument while the fervent performer gets ignored in the conversation. America will benefit by stressing the need to work, and benefits like this will be a message toward that end. "Requiring" it is the only debate left however.

To the person advocating illegalizing labor bargaining...OSHA is an institution only. It does not meet the needs of most of us. And the need to take up our own causes instead of relying on government is essential. Most all sides agree on this. Big government does NOT provide utopian situations/agreements/solutions, etc...

at 5:41 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted the second comment on this story (10:53 a.m.). What I find amusing is that while a bunch of subsequent posters name-call and whine (always a great approach when you have nothing of merit or logic to offer), not one single commenter has been able to refute the BASIC ECONOMIC FACTS stated at the outset: that there is no free lunch. Whenever government imposes a cost on business, business simply passes that cost on to someone else, be it the consumer, other employees (by cutting pay, other benefits, or jobs), or the entire population of the state (by either not coming to Ohio in the first place or relocating to a cheaper state or country - see the Southern states generally, China, India, etc.). Face it: what those of you who support laws like this are basically saying is, "I don't care about the big picture or whether a particular law is good for society at large - I just want to misuse the power of gov't to steal from others to benefit myself and/or those like me." It's called greed, envy, and class warfare - and politicians, particularly though not exclusively Democrats, exploit it all the time. There is absolutely no difference in principle between these kinds of acts and communism - just a difference in degree.

Second, no one is saying that you can't stay home if you or your kids (and yes, I have three) get sick. No one is forcing you to go to work at all, let alone for a particular employer. All we are saying is, if you don't do any work on a particular day, why on earth should you expect to be paid for doing nothing?

Third, I just love the commenter who says that the "unskilled" workers contribute just as much to the companies they work for as the "skilled" workers. Umm, hello? Do you even know the definition of the word "skilled"? Without checking the dictionary, I think it means an ability to do something of value. Obviously, the "skilled" workers are bringing something of greater value to the company - that's why they are paid more. It's called the free market. If YOU want to be paid more, work to develop some skills that the market rewards. It's inherently a pure meritocracy and as fair as can be. When you have skills that are valued by an employer, you can either (a) demand that that employer reward you for your skills and the value you add to the company, or (b) go elsewhere to an employer that will.

Finally, I suppose this would be labeled "mean-spirited," but I can't help but find it amusing that virtually every person commenting in support of this kind of law has grammatical and spelling (not to mention logical) errors in their postings; perhaps if you had paid a bit more attention in school, you wouldn't be stuck in that low-wage, no-benefits job. Just sayin'.

at 7:20 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm going to start a side business as a baby sitter on the weekends. Then when I want to go out and have fun instead of baby sitting, I'll just call the parents of he child I'm supposed to be sitting and tell them I'm sick. Then I get the best of both worlds, I get to go out and have fun AND they still have to pay me.

at 8:35 PM, May 08, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

"1:47, if Europe is so great, why are so many more Europeans moving here than Americans moving there?
-2:43 PM, May 08, 2008"

Prove that, wingnut @ 2:43.

The core EU nations & Japan all have a higher standard of living than the United States does these days. We are # 12.



And to the wingnut troll who says that companies will take paid holidays away, greedy companies that do not allow sick time rarely give their employees any paid holidays.

at 9:24 PM, May 08, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting the OEA, also known as the Ohio teachers unions has joined in its support. Since most Ohio teachers already have this benefit, how do they use it, well in the Trotwood school district near Dayton, two years ago, every single teacher used every single sick day. This caused the district to pay for subs for all those days including the teachers pay for those days. And taxpayers are stuck with the bill.

at 6:23 AM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did I miss something? "Whenever the government forces...." "When government legislates...." The purpose of government is to serve the people, if this comes to be it will be because people VOTED for it that way. Read the article, it's not like they are taking this upon themselves, single parents are fighting this fight... something I severely doubt any of the opposition of this legislation are.

at 12:56 PM, May 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

as the difference between have and have not grows and all the middle management salary jobs grows less people will then understand how there goverment has let bussiness run rough shot over them. Since This state has lost thousands upon thousands of jobs without payed sick days who do I blame for this?

at 9:25 PM, May 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Idiot,
The fine citizens of Cheviot will be happy to purchase you a one way ticket to the European country of your choice.
Yes, Europeans do work less hours, but it's an attempt by their governments to lower overall unemployment.
As for sick days, companies should invoke a policy my company uses. It's called "no fault" attendance.
You are allocated paid time off based on years of service exclusive of holidays. In my case, I get 18 days based on my service. I can use those days for anything I choose as long as I don't exceed 18. If I'm sick and want to be paid, I use one of those days. If I use no sick days, I have 18 paid vacation days in addition to holidays. Amazing how Monday "sickness" has been curbed.
Get some self responsibility people and wake up before the government tells you every move to make.

at 2:07 PM, May 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jane = cincycappell = cheviot sports idiot

= libtard loser

at 4:00 PM, May 12, 2008 Anonymous CincyCapell said...

Dear pretend rich wingnut 9:25 who blogs from his Mommy's basement:

Why do the European nations have higher standards of living than the USA does? Why is life expectancy longer in Europe than in the USA? What? Nationalised health care??

Sorry, but we are going to force employers to give their workers, the people whose toil provides them a profit, to act decently and provide benefits like paid sick leave. Just like we forced them to stop employing children in factories and mines (which I am sure that you are still furious about).

Sorry about your luck Mr. wingnut. I'll be happy to provide you with a one-way ticket to any fascistic South American nation you care to relocate to.

at 6:49 PM, May 12, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

I hear that the Columbians like to kill union organizers. Maybe the Wannabe Wealthy Wingnut Wacko should go there. I'm in for halfsies!

at 7:29 PM, May 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Capped,
You go to LA and Manhattan; I go to Europe, Asia and Africa. Take it from someone who knows firsthand that Europe does not have a higher standard of living. The life expectancy in Europe is not higher than the US, but they do drink lots of red wine.
If you think nationalized medicine is so great, talk to our friends in Canada; they're not too happy with the scam.
You keep talking like you're a bigshot and you're going to do this and you're going to change that. In reality, you have no clout Cheviot Idiot.
You want the wealthy to pay for your life so you have blog time to sit on your rump. You're useless and a leech.
Have fun in Manhattan; Your co-workers can't wait until you're out of sight.

at 8:15 AM, May 13, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Idiot,
Been to Columbia. Been to Brazil. Been to North Africa. Been to China. Been to France, Germany, Italy, Spain, England etc.
Always felt great to land back on American soil.
People in Ireland were by far the friendliest. Ireland is making great economic strides because their government wisely lowered corporate taxes. Pepsi built a new plant there five years ago to take advantage of the tax provision.
You have the wrong approach when you think you can tax big business to pay for your giveaways.
Compare that scenario to France where taxation on corporations is exhorbitant. Unemployment is so bad that the government restricts workers to 35 hour weeks in hopes that companies will hire more and more workers. Most companies do what they can with the people on the payroll. When we ordered material from France, there was always a 4 to 5 week lead time requirement built into our SAP system. That's what happens when government intervention becomes out of control. Oh, by the way, nationalized medicine in France is extremely expensive for companies so they avoid hiring to keep their indirect costs down as low as possible.
You learn a lot about other economies when you work for a large International Company.
Have fun in Manhattan with Cincy Capped.

at 4:06 PM, May 13, 2008 Anonymous CincyCapell said...

Well, the same Wingnut posted both of the last comments. Mr. Wingnut, you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts.

Europeans DO have a longer life expectancy than Americans do. In fact, the USA is #42 in life expectancy. Fact.



The United States is #12 in the World Quality Of Life Index. Fact. The United States ranks #12, behind France, behind Norway, behind Canada, behind Sweden, behind Japan.


Here it is again, in an easy-to-read format, perfect for learning impaired wingnuts such as yourself:


Wingnuts like to make up facts, or 'go on their gut feeling'. That's exactly how they screwed up this nation. Don't worry Wingnut, and Jeffy, I'm not moving to Europe; We Dems are going to make some BIG changes in this nation. You aren't going to like them very much. Maybe you should go ahead and leave the nation now.



at 7:34 PM, May 13, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Capped,
You believe all the statistics that are available, but you don't analyze the data.
If you believe that your life expectancy and life style quality index will be better in Europe, why do you say you won't be moving there? Does that make sense?
At any rate, if you are Caucasian, you'll live longer in the USA.
If you are not obese and exercise regularly, you will live longer in the US. If you don't subside on fast foods and frozen dinners, you will live longer in the US.
You see, certain high risk American citizens totally obliterate the US averages. Europeans eat healthy, eat less, drink red wine and exercise regularly as their normal lifestyle.
From someone who has spent their career traveling for an International Company, I have never had a European refuse a transfer to the United States. Does that tell you something that your statistics don't? Wise up Capped.

at 9:29 PM, May 13, 2008 Anonymous cincycapell said...

And from somebody who worked for a medium sized, international company, let me tell you, Mr Wingnut, I've never seen an American pass up the chance to live in Paris, Berlin, Madrid or London either. Most people want to experience life in a nation that they have only read about, or visited.

I have spent a great deal of time, professionally and on holiday, in Italy, France & Germany. Yes, I am going to stay here, in my Country, and fight to change things in this Nation and make life better for all of our citizens, both rich & poor.

You can make up your own facts and figures all that you want to, Mr. Wingnut, but the bottom line is that the goof old USA is ranked an appalling #42 in life expectancy. Plain, simple fact. Ditto that we are #12 in terms of Quality If Life. those 'socialised' countries like Norway, Sweden, France and Japan all have higher standards of living than we do. Just this year, for the first time since the 19th century, the UK has outstripped the USA in terms of their Standard if Living.


Facts and figures sure are inconvenient, as is reality, aren't they, Mr. Wingnut?

Bushie sure has done a heck of a job! he lowed our standard of living, devalued our currency put us in a larger debt that all previous administrations combined and made us a poorer nation. A heck of a job indeed.

at 9:19 AM, May 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Capped,
Since a medium sized International Company is an oxymoron, I doubt whether you've ever left Cheviot.
I refused several transfers overseas because I preferred my life in the United States, so now you have heard of an American who refused the offer.
For the first time since America was founded, the next generation replacing the "baby boomers" is not considered better educated. This means we are graduating children that don't have the basic skills to compete in today's economic climate.
Rich people have avoided this dilemna by sending their children to private schools that demand discipline and parental support.
You see how the game is played, Capped?
Wake up, the liberals are the ones who have screwed up the works with their tree hugging and political correctness.

at 12:18 PM, May 14, 2008 Anonymous cincycapell said...

Mr. Wingnut, a specialty manufacturer with net income of $ee0 million is a medium sized bussiness, P&G with sales of billions is a large company. I have spent more time in Europe than you have. In fact, I seriously doubt that you have ever left our shores, since you are a xenophobic right wing extremist who is scared of anyone that is different from you. How sad it is that you were too frightened to leave this nation, as the experience might well have broadened your limited horizons.

You obviously cannot refute my arguments, at least not without making up facts, or by pretending that your own limited personal experiences are somehow universal in their scope.

Facts are the bane of the xenophobic wingnut.

at 1:40 PM, May 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms. Capped,
Multinationals compute income as EBITDA. Your company has income in millions and you call that "mid sized"? Too be that small you can't support multiple sites, especially in Europe.
I think you're in over your head here. You need to start looking for a new job, because your revenue looks weak. P&G would be a good place to start.

at 5:00 PM, May 14, 2008 Anonymous CincyCapell said...

Gee, and I thought that we had 6 sales & support offices throughout Europe. Our European subsidiary has 163 employees, at last count.

$260 Million in sales is NOT BIG. P&G, with sales in the $Billions, is BIG.

But that's really besides the point, Mr. Wingnut. The fact is that Europeans & Japan are enjoying a higher standard of living, and living longer than we are. The USA is Not #1 anymore. We are #12 and #42. I know that breaks your heart, Mr. Wingnut, but it's a fact.

Facts; The Bane Of The Wingnut.

at 8:43 PM, May 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your company is a "Mom and Pop" operation with way too many employees for those sales.
But that's really besides the point. I think you're trying to make a case for nationalized medicine by citing endless statistics. Nationalized Medicine will not cure obesity, lack of exercise nor fast food addiction.
If you look closely at the data, there are more countries reporting life expectancy the last decade, but some of those countries have recently picked up some of our bad habits like smoking and fast food.
At the end of the day, you want bigger government and additional government intervention.
That will continue to erode Americans freedom to live as they choose.

at 1:12 PM, May 15, 2008 Anonymous CincyCapell said...

Ms. Wingnut can't stand to lose. And he has lost, and so has America. National Health care is coming Mr. Wingnut. The majority of Americans want it, and you and your despicable wingnut ilk can't stop it.

Maybe national health care will help America move up from it's # 12 ranking in world Standards of Living, and come close to the high standard of living that those 'evil socialist' nations in Europe and Japan enjoy.

Facts, figures and statistics. The Bane of The Ignorant Wingnut.

at 2:28 PM, May 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms. Capped,
The facts are you have no clout politically. Just because you say national health care is on the way, doesn't make it come to fruition.
If that were possible, Ms. Pelosi would have lowered gas prices like she promised a couple of years ago.
How's Manhattan, Kansas?

at 5:14 PM, May 15, 2008 Anonymous cincycapell said...

Nancy Pelosi doesn't have any control over gas prices, Ms. Wingnut. In fact the reTHUGlican party has repeatedly blocked Dem legislation to apply windfall profit taxes on the exorbitant profits Big Oil is making buy gouging Americans. When George w. Bush too office, oil was $20/barrel. Bush, a former oil executive, has wrecked our economy, devalued our currency and stuck it to the American people, while helping Big Oil Inc.

A recent Gallup poll revealed that 69% of Americans want Universal Health Care, while 28% (your die hard wingnut ilk) oppose it.


Universal Health Care is coming, Miss Wingnut, and we start down that road on January 21st, 2009; the day our new Democratic President and Congress takes office.

Fare-thee-well, Miss Wingnut. You and your greedy, corrupt ilk are toast.

at 6:35 PM, May 15, 2008 Anonymous cincycapell said...

Gee, for a 'rich, successful' guy who 'works for a big international company' you sure do have alot of time on your hands, Miss Wingnut. I think that it's much more likely that you are a loser who spends his lonely days blogging from your ederly mother's basement.

Get a life, Miss Wingnut.

at 6:54 PM, May 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms. Capped,
For someone who is supposed to be in Manhattan, you sure stick close to your Cheviot computer.
Grandma Nancy promised she had a secret plan to lower gas prices; that was her lie.
Gas would be reasonable if you libs would allow drilling in ANWAR.
You just are jealous of people with money, so you want to penalize the successful. Get a grip Cheviot Idiot!

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