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Friday, May 16, 2008

Hamilton County GOP opposes red light cameras


The Hamilton County Republican party this morning announced they opposed Cincinnati's plan to add red light cameras at intersections - a move the city hopes will add $1 million to city coffers.


From the Hamilton County Republican party this morning:

On May 15, 2008, the Hamilton County Republican Party Policy Committee met at Party Headquarters to discuss the issue of Red Light Cameras. The Committee voted unanimously to oppose the placing of Red Light Cameras in the City of Cincinnati and to support the referendum and petition drive to place this issue on the fall ballot. Simply put, the Hamilton County Republican Party opposes Red Light Cameras.

The Policy Committee looked carefully at the issue and considered both sides of the argument. After a thorough review and discussion, the committee found the cameras to be an unnecessary revenue generating program that unnecessarily intrudes in the lives of taxpayers and provides very little due process to protect the innocent.

Statement of Chairman Alex Triantafilou

“I am pleased that our Policy Committee unanimously voted against Red Light Cameras and in favor of a referendum to place this issue before the voters. Red Light Cameras are simply designed to drive up revenue on the backs of unsuspecting drivers and the proposal lacks some of the necessary due process safeguards that we should all expect under our Constitution. The Committee found no connection between public safety and these cameras and found that in many instances, the cameras caused “rear-end” collisions as drivers panicked to stop. Our Party urges citizens to support the petition drive to place this issue before the voters and to reject this unnecessary government intrusion.”

For more details on the Party’s position, visit http://hcrp.blogspot.com/.


42 Comments:

at 10:25 AM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally...The foot-tapping Bold Typist and Alex Triantafilou can now hold hands together and lead the fight for a common cause.

 
at 10:46 AM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL 10:25, rare is the witty comment on here that can cause one to both laugh and retch at the same time, but yours hit the spot.

I am glad to see the HCGOP on the right side of an issue for once. I hope they promote this position with the same fervor which they tried to ram the jail tax down the voters' throats.

 
at 10:52 AM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crap. Now we can't give up another freedom.

 
at 10:55 AM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great for Hamilton County Republican Party Policy Committee! They are not the city government. The city could actually use the money generated by this anyway.

 
at 11:19 AM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dayton is turnning off the Red Light Cameras ,due to the fact that they cost too mutch to run,compared to the revinue they generate,now that the violations have gone down,since they were put in operation.

 
at 11:20 AM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know about you, but I don't run red lights. In one hour or driving last week I witnessed four cars doing so, fortunately without incident. I am in favor of red light cameras, as this dangerous practice, of total disregard for traffic signals, would soon stop. Just the fact that there are rear end collisions, meaning the second person was intending to run the light also, should be a sign that drivers are out of control. The Republicans must be red light runners. I disagree with them again. I wonder why I continue to ask for an R ballot.

 
at 12:03 PM, May 16, 2008 Blogger Quim said...

Statistics vary a lot from town to town but nationwide the use of red light cameras reduced right angle collisions 25% while increasing rear end collisions 15%.
Damage to cars was reduced significantly since the T-Bones result in considerably more damage than rear enders.
The reduction in injuries and fatalities is also significant but I doubt the HCGOP gives a rat's patootie about that.

 
at 12:03 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Josh Krekeler said...

We're pleased to have the support of the Hamilton County Republican Party.

The groups supporting this initiative are not in favor of unsafe or illegal driving. Most traffic accidents at intersections are caused by inattention, not disregard for the law. If the city wanted to improve safety, it would look at ideas like making yellow lights a second or two longer and having a brief "all-red" clearance period at intersections so turning cars can complete their turns before the next green.

The cameras are marketed as safety tools, but they're just about making money for the city and the camera companies.

All registered voters in the City of Cincinnati who agree that these cameras would be a turn in the wrong direction should sign a petition at one of these locations:

NAACP Cincinnati Branch
4439 Reading Road
(open noon-5:30 MW/noon-7 TThF)

Finney, Stagnaro, Saba & Patterson
2623 Erie Avenue

Frame USA
225 Northland Boulevard

You can also pick up a petition and go collect some signatures yourself.

www.wedemandavote.com

 
at 12:09 PM, May 16, 2008 Blogger 5chw4r7z said...

I think this is pretty consistent with Republican values. Meanwhile the Democrats hate having Bush take away rights but they LOVE voting everyone else's rights away.

 
at 12:21 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a Mafia don sent out a press release announcing his organization wasn't going to follow a law, how would the Enquirer react?

 
at 12:27 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Lu said...

The way to keep drivers from running red lights, and to increase safety at intersections, is to extend the time of the yellow light, and have the lights show red in all directions for at least three seconds.

Red light cameras are just an excuse to haul in money, and have proven to be a traffic hazard as people slam on their brakes to avoid running a light, no matter how inadvertent it may be.

 
at 12:29 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:52- the "freedom" to run red lights?

 
at 12:30 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

While there are some egregious instances of people running red lights, I see it happen most often at intersections where lights are poorly timed. Sometimes the yellow is too short. Sometimes it takes 2 minutes for a full light cycle. I support the use of red light cameras but only at intersections that have been rigorously studied and timed in a way to increase traffic flow, rather than impede.

 
at 1:03 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cameras are everywhere in London and it's done nothing to reduce crime and it's highly unlikely cameras in Cincinnati will reduce traffic violations, if that's in fact the true intent of installing them, which I doubt.

 
at 1:18 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

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"Anonymous said...Finally...The...Bold Typist and Alex Triantafilou can now hold hands together and lead the fight for a common cause. 10:25 AM, May 16, 2008"

This decision doesn't surprise us, the wRong wingnut whackos are aways 'FOLLOWING' - 'bold endeavors' !

Until the wRong wingnut whacko misleader stands against the private monitoring of what the "Chinese' call 'hot-spots'(OTR), we are miles apart !

Until the G-rand O-ld P-edophiles misleader demands a full audit of all his crony 'farm hands', we are miles apart !

Until the wRong wingnut whacko party misleader stands against the 'patriot act', we are miles apart !

Our position has always remained the same and have slammed any politician, regardless of ideology, that traded freedom for a little security !
(don't forget about all those dog license the crony auditors office can sell by matching the car plate to a house that has a dog as passenger ?)

How many wide-span cameras will be in those government mandated TV converter boxes to display digital content ? Can anyone say family jpeg ? Smile ! Oh, we forgot that's just interaction. Have there ever been any you-tube arrests ?

Stripping freedoms is a wRong wingnut whacko game !

After all, it was the 'concealed donations' party that tried to stop 'free speech': Right here in a (wink, wink) Cincinnati courtroom !

'ACTIONS' speak louder than words: Least ye be judged by your 'DEEDS' !

Once again it's XXX judge Tryintofoolyou !

PATHETIC 'family values' !

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2008 !

 
at 1:23 PM, May 16, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

Thanks Alex

 
at 2:12 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good idea for the GOP:

If you stopped running terrible candidates for City Council like Sam Malone, Charlie Winburn, etc., maybe you'd actually have enough votes to have a voice on the Council itself.

 
at 2:57 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just like the GOP to say "if I don't get caught, its OK to run red lights."

 
at 3:30 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

You folks are entirely missing the point. There are serious constitutional implications at stake here. You are ticketed and have to pay the ticket before you can appeal. Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? There is no witness just a camera showing a license plate number. How refreshing to have the GOP start defending it's positions based on the basis of the Constitution.

 
at 3:44 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Repugs had standards for their candidates, they wouldn't have any standards.

Child molester? No Problem!

Religous nut? No Problem!

Incompetent attorney who keeps getting fired? No Problem!

Geeky engineer with a rude and incompetent staff? No problem!

West side softball player who wouldn't know what a regular paycheck looked life? No problem!

Running a family business into the ground and blaming it on others? No problem!

Racial minority incapable of uttering a complete sentence kicked out of the other parties, but OK with being the KKK party's decoration? No problem!

Married a crooked lawyer and has nothing better to do all day? No Problem!

Unemployable fat slob with a good family name? No problem!

This, ladies and gentlemen, is your Hamilton County Republican Party! Aren't you proud?

 
at 4:20 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous cincycapell said...

The GOP: The Oarty Of Law Breakers.

Way to go, reTHUGlicans!

 
at 5:05 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The democRATS: the party of killers like Ted Kennedy and rapists like Bill Clinton.

 
at 5:26 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fine should be placed so high that people would not even think about running a red light. I guarantee, only idiots would run the red light more than once. When you renew ( or initially receive ) your drivers license or renew your automobile license plates, the Deputy Register would have you read a simple text, then take an open book test & sign a statement that you understand the laws. If you break the law, you are fined ( or appropriately punished, no loopholes.
Bet rear end collisions nearly cease.

 
at 6:11 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seattle, home of liberals and the ACLU, have been using red light cameras for quite a while without problem. The fines pay for the operating expense plus some. If you don't want to pay for the cameras, don't run any red lights and they'll be removed.

 
at 6:13 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous CincyMatusak said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

 
at 8:47 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The yellow and all-red intervals are based on criteria in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices, mainly grades (hills) and intersection geometry. We don't shorten yellow lights so the cops can write more tickets. We also include an all-red phase at every signalized intersection.

My experience has been that if we increase the all-red phase, over time drivers will get used to the new timing and adjust their habits. Now they know they have another second or two to run the red light until the other street gets the green light.

In other words, it's not the traffic signal's fault, it's the idiot drivers.

One poster is correct - we do have a lot of intersections with two-minute cycle lengths. We have to try to give everyone the most green time as possible and minimize delay. Unfortunately those two ideas work against each other. When we look at the amount of traffic on the main street vs the side street and try to put in left-turn phases, the time really does add up.

 
at 9:35 PM, May 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just LOVE the comments! Keeps me amused at night. Speed on, McDuff!

 
at 1:52 AM, May 17, 2008 Anonymous Acharya said...

Hello, Tri-State right-wingers! Which part of RED don't you understand? Driving through red lights is against the law. PERIOD. Due process comes about as with any other citation--there is always the option of appeal.
Why should we tolerate "illegal drivers" any more than some of you want to tolerate so-called "illegal immigrants"? Is this too much of a burden for illegal right-wing drivers in their gas guzzling SUVs who endanger our Metro bus passengers and drivers downtown? Get a life, and stop endangering mine.

 
at 1:35 PM, May 17, 2008 Anonymous cincycapell said...

Log Cabin Capell needs to keep his hooked nose out of The City of Cincinnati's business. This jack*ss lives in Blue Ash.

 
at 4:14 PM, May 17, 2008 Anonymous Hamilton County Democrat said...

"Hooked nose"? I think we have an anti-Semite representing our party.

 
at 6:41 PM, May 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

More vitriol from CincyCapell, the only liberal I know over the age of 10 who thinks calling someone "gay" is an insult. You and Scott Gehring both have serious mental health issues which need to be addressed pronto for the public's sake. Since you're both friends with David Pepper, maybe he can get you into a P&G drug trial.

 
at 10:53 PM, May 17, 2008 Anonymous CincyMatusak said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

 
at 12:05 AM, May 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quim, your are correct when you said"...red light cameras reduced right angle collisions 25% while increasing rear end collisions 15%.
Damage to cars was reduced significantly since the T-Bones result in considerably more damage than rear enders.
The reduction in injuries and fatalities is also significant..."
It is also true that the same safety results can be obtained by increasing the length of time the yellow light staying on by 1.5 seconds.
I would rather have the length of the yellow light staying on increased than have cameras. This does not bring up any due process issues.

 
at 2:41 AM, May 18, 2008 Anonymous cincycapell said...

Poor Little Jeffy doesn't like being called out for his hackery! Boo Hoo Jeffy! Cry us a River if Jordan!

Keep your big hooked nose out of our business Jeffy. Go back to Blue Ash and eat a bagel.

 
at 12:52 PM, May 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't the Nazis measure noses to see if they were "hooked" or not?

Liberal fascist cincycappell AKA cheviot sports idiot is a Nazi.

 
at 5:40 PM, May 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^^Look at Capell's nose; res ipsa loquitur.

If the bulk of the right-wing HamCo GOP membership knew the truth about Capell's 'Log Cabin connections', does anyone with a sound mind think for even a moment that they would welcome him with open arms? The GOP is the most close-minded group of knuckle-dragging xenophobes in exsistance. They would boot Capell out on his log cabin butt.

 
at 7:16 PM, May 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The government's filming of citizens, under any circumstance, is abhorrent.
We are on the slippery slope to Big Brotherhood.
Uh no, we are already there--but it will get worse.

 
at 8:01 AM, May 19, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:14, May 17,
These liberals tend to be anti-Semetic. That's why they want Obama running the country, so he can assist radical Islamics in their incessant attempts to destroy Israel. Below is one of several examples. Everyone who blogs here knows what a wonderful person Cheviot Sports Idiot is. The example below is taken from the "An Obama ad you'll be seeing here" blog below. The mask slips a bit when this paragon of liberal virtue pontificates on the subject of "our" agenda, and why Joe Lieberman doesn't fit in. Apparently, any support for Israel doesn't fit "our" agenda. Jew hater much, CSI?


Cheviot Sports Idiot said...
7:09 is a bigger moron than the Doughy Pants Load himself, Jonah Goldberg. Nazi's were right wing, asshat. You know, just like you.

And don't worry 8:26. Once we actually have a majority in Congress (which we do not actually have now, thanks to traitorous 'pro-Israel' neocon Joe Lieberman) we will enact our agenda. You are not going to like it very much, so perhaps you and Mr. Wingnut should shack up together in whatever right wing banana republic that you choose to relocate in.

9:13 PM, May 13, 2008

 
at 9:34 AM, May 19, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the NAACP should focus on the fact that young black men make up the bulk of the city's homicides & murder suspects instead of worrying about red light cameras.

 
at 10:16 AM, May 20, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

perhaps the most offensive part of red light cameras is that the company that makes them charges an obscene markup on the materials and then gets a constant revenue stream from the people that get caught.

 
at 12:48 PM, May 20, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Repugs had standards for their candidates, they wouldn't have any standards.

... blah, blah, blah ...


Ahem ... Marc Dann, anyone?

Yeah, those Democrats (see, look - I used the real name for the party) sure are above reproach.

 
at 3:13 PM, May 22, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAD ENOUGH DEPRAVED DANN DEMOCRATS?

VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2008!

 
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