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Monday, January 14, 2008

Deters, In Cincinnati Gentlemen

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters has some strong things to say about the city and its leaders in an essay published as the magazine's The Last Word feature.

So far, we can't find anybody at City Hall who's seen the story yet. So here are some highlights of what Deters wrote:

Jail Tax Falls

Will Cincinnati Follow?

"The failure of the jail tax levy on the November ballot h as generated a multitude of questions and recriminations. One fact stands out, however. The need for a new jail is not due to a lack of foresight or long-range planning. The need is based on the fact that since the Cincinnati riots of 2001, the violent crime rate has tripled here. The city's weak response in the riot aftermath, coupled with unfair police bashing prior to the riot, generated a spirit of lawlessness that has not abated to this day."

"This fact was brought into stark focus recently when a national statistical measure by a reputable organization rated Cincinnati the 16th most dangerous city overall in the nation in 2006. One can track Cincinnati's unfortunate climb by looking at our steady rise in these rankings over the past few years. In 2005, Cincinnati was ranked 18th. In 2004, it was ranked 20th. In 2003, it was ranked 25th."

"The result of more criminals on the street is more crime. The bulk of this crime will occur in the city of Cincinnati. Despite this obvious fact, many city leaders did little to support the jail levy. The payoff will be the continual decline of safety in the city."

"Why does Northern Kentucky thrive while the city fights to maintain its population and businesses? Simple, people feel safe over there."

"When I left Cincinnati to become state treasurer in 1999, the area around Main Street was thriving and fun and safe. Today, if my 19-year-old son informed me he was heading to that area for the evening, I'd take his car keys."

"But, I contend it doesn't matter where you move the fountain. One punk with a gun can ruin everything."

"The last in a long line of bad ideas from City Hall was to run trolleys from the stadiums into Over-the-Rhine."

"I have a better idea for the trolley money. Sit down with the county commissioners and have, thoughtful, meaningful discussions about our jail problem. If any money is left, give it to Police Chief Streicher, stay out of the way and let him do his job."


at 1:05 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very well put Joe. Hey, I have a great idea. Next election, you run for Mayor. You (and Leslie Ghiz) seem to be the only community leader with any common sense.

at 1:06 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well put, Joe, Maybe you should run for office next election. You (and Leslie Ghiz) seem to be the only people who "get it".

at 1:08 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

While their at, maybe they could cut out most of these unproven, unsuccessful, social programs and fund a new jail.

at 1:17 PM, January 14, 2008 Blogger Eric said...

Bravo Mr. Deters! One thing I have always liked about Joe Deters is his sincerity. As someone who is currently in the Police Academy I can understand where he is coming from. What is it going to take for the City to take action? Why always reaction?

at 1:18 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dirty Deeds Deters has no room to lob blame. No one saw Deters' pretty face on in a campaign ad promoting the needs for the jail or on the radio boasting the benefits. Deters was missing in action, which was reprehensible considering his elected position.

Why was Deters so quiet? For politics' sake. The worst reason of all.

If Deters wanted to support the jail plan - he should have been front and center during the campaign --- shame on him

at 1:20 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't Streicher just return $2 million to the city? Why is Deters then suggesting that the city give more money to him if he just returned this?

As I understand it, the funding for the streetcar is from sources that are not earmarked for crime issues - these sources are for development.

at 1:25 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

These rhings that Mr. deters says are basically all true. I am 50 y/o nowand i can remember as far back as the 80's I as a homosexual male use to love to hang out with my friends in the clubs of Cincinnati but now most of my favorite places to go in the city are now gone and the ones that are still there with their location would not think of visiting dure tyo the violence and unsafe conditions within the city of Cincinnati. I now visit areas like Columbus and Louisville besides being much safer areas to go to also offer much more places of entertainment ( ex. Shortnorth in Columbus and 5th Street Live in Louisville). I actually voted for the first Jail Levy Tax because whether or not we want to accept it WE DESPERATELY NEED THE NEW JAIL TO GET THE USELESS THUGS OFF THE STREETS! But the second levy I rejected simply because I feel the city became very greedy in asking for a much larger amount. Let's face it until the city of Cincinnati is returned to the good citizens of the area we might as well forget about trolleys and THE BANKS because it will be nothing short of a waste of good money. I also would like to add that the city of Cincinnati has the worst and most unfriendly ans useless officers on duty who are absolutely no help to people needing assistance with directions or otherwise. The many times i have visited the city not one time have I have experienced a cheerful greeting from officers on duty. I have only a few years left until retirement and unless their are some drastic changes, no way will I live out my final years on this earth in a place like Cincinnati, Ohio.

at 1:25 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally someone with the guts to tell it like it is. This city is going downhill fast and someone or something has to stop this freefall....and soon.

at 1:31 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Deters is full of it. He's been in politics way to long. If you don't like the way things are going then change your vote the first chance you get. Lets get Joe Deters, Simon Leis, and the rest of the FOP criminals out of town. Perhaps then this 'justified' war against our peace officers can end and the rest of us law abidinig taxpayers can just get back to our own lives.

at 1:36 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deters, this guy should be mayor. He nailed this perfectly. There has been a mentality in this city that god forbid you mention there is a problem with Cincinnatis African American community ever since the riots. Black on black crime in this city is out of control but you can't say anything publicly about it or you are a racist. There are statistics that prove the problem is within the african american that will never be released or published. There are supposed leaders in the black community(Ken Lawson & Clyde Bennett) who provide a terrible examples that basically go unscathed in the papers. What example do the youths have to look up to. WHERE IS DAMON LYNCH NOW? He should hold a press conference everytime this violence occurs much condeming this behavior much as he did during the riots. Again, poor example of a black figure head. Until someone takes a hardline and there are black leaders to show the community how to live by example this will continue. The city population will continue to diminish and the general impression of Cincinnati will edge closer to that of detroit. Because you want whats best for this city and pinpointing the problem, you should not be labelled a racist. I am guessing ole Chuck Luken and Damon Lynch are somewhere now patting each other on the back and lighting cigars with $100 bills that the GOOD REVEREND extorted from Cincinnati to "clean up OTR". Take the good with the bad Rev Lynch, step up to the plate and be a leader. This city doesn need a Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton, it needs a GREAT, STRONG, LEADER.

at 1:36 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Joe is glossing over one critical point that is a big factor of crime in the city: a prosecutor that neglects his duties. Joe seems OK with letting criminals back out on the streets due to lack of jail space as well as not prosecuting store owners that both sell crack paraphernalia and fire guns haphazardly in our city center. How can the police do their job when they know that if they arrest someone they'll be back in the streets within hours. If Joe wants to make this city more safe he should do what he is getting paid to do and not snipe others who are working hard to make this city safer through economic development and stepped up law enforcement.

at 1:36 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a simplistic ass Deters continues to prove he can be. Going off on the record like this helps absolutely nothing, except to play to like-minded neanderthals in the city.

Urban crime is a rising problem in many cities around the country. As a leader in the criminal justice system, he could have chosen in the 2-3 years since he has been back on the job to try and lead us to some new answers in this area, or he could sit back and complain. In the true Cincinnatian tradition, he has chosen the blame someone else and complain route.

at 1:38 PM, January 14, 2008 Blogger Bluerog said...

No one cares.

The police are hamstrung in Cincinnati. They actually have to fear pulling over too many cars with black drivers, and not enough white drivers. So, the police tend to just not care as much as they used to.

The public doesn't care. They don’t go downtown anymore. They simply entertain in Northern Kentucky or the suburbs. A sad point is that criminals are killing each other mostly. So that makes the public care even less.

The leaders in Cincinnati don't care. They get more votes by not supporting jails and by making the police force's job harder.

The criminals don't care.

The city is dying from apathy—on all sides. And I don’t care. Better places to go are 15 minutes away from downtown.


at 1:39 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone considered instead of shoving a new jail down the throats of Cincinnatians we attack the real issue. What is the root cause of all the crime? How many jails are we going to build. That will not solve our problem. Mad Max at Thunderdome anyone........

at 1:42 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The increase in crime is directly relational to decrease in economic stability of this region over that same time. The people of Hamilton County have spoken TWICE on this issue and both times determined the burden of additional jail cost exceeded it's benefit. Mr. Deters and Mr. Leis either must work within the means the community has assigned them or they are free to resign their positions in favor of somebody that will. There is no shortage of jail bunks, only a shortage of common sense with whom to fill them with. Judges must obey The Constitution and not set unreasonable bails and bonds. At the same time Mr. Leis must recognize there are people in his jail who's crimes include remodeling their homes without permits, then he must make an accurate decision when a bunk is needed for a violent offender. The business of government, especially the justice system, must not be to "grow the business".

at 1:45 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

You gotta' love Deters. He is thrown out of Columbus for his poor ethics, was nowhere to be found during the riots, and now lobs bombs, again, at the City.

Let's see...the COUNTY has released thousands of prisoners over the last several years. It is the COUNTY'S responsibility to house prisoners. It is Joe's REPUBLICAN friends that dominate the criminal justice system , prosecutors and judges.

Maybe Joe should accept the blame for letting crime get so high ON HIS WATCH, and doing very little about it except throw verbal bombs at the City.

at 1:47 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Deters you nailed it. I go downtown twice a year to the dentist and I always encounter young black kids with their pants way below their waist roaming around and bums asking for money. I go in the daytime so I really dont fear for my safety. By the way do you know anyone who wakes up on a Saturday night and say,,,, "hey I need to run down to Macy's to pick up a few things".
Downtown - go in the mall down there and see how many stores have left. Downtown is dead!! Now the Freedom Center want a cool mil from the Banks folks. Well, there is another delay thats for sure!

at 1:48 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again city officals arguing for a topical treatment to a deeply rooted problem. Apparently applying topical treatments, like a jail to "lock up all the thugs" will solve the Queen City's most complex social woes. Nonsense like that of Mr. Deeters' is not helping anyone.

We live in a city where 25% of the population lives at or below the federal poverty line. Ohio now ranks among the top states for numbers of new foreclosures, and the bankruptcy rate continues to climb upward. Poverty is the root cause of our "violent" city. Jails do not eradicate poverty, living wages do. Jobs, meaningful ones that is, help reduce and/or eradicate poverty. Perhaps those charged with the task of caring for our Queen City could learn a lot from an economics class.

at 1:48 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Deters has some good points. The jail is a problem that needs to be addressed, police enforcement seems to lacking (some might say, rightly or wrongly, due to the reaction before and after the riots).

I think the last paragraph points to the root of many of our problems, of which crime is but one manifestation. City council needs to sit and talk with the county commissioners and the police chief, and let's throw the prosecutor into mix, and the transit authorities, the surrounding counties and cities that wouldn't be there if Cincinnati wasn't here first, and northern Kentucky, and the those island cities (Norwood, St. Bernard, etc.) that were formed to take advantage of a local tax revenue source. And THEN GET EVERYONE TO PULL IN ONE DIRECTION.

Hell, even the Balkans currently seem to be doing better than our own balkanized region, where decisions make sense in a small context, but do harm in a bigger context.

at 1:53 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a streetcar not a Trolley. He should not comment on something he does not understand. The streetcar is an econimic development driver. It is speculated to bring 1.5 b in development to the city inner core. Will a new jail do that?

at 1:55 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tune into the comedy channel and listen to a jerk named Katt Willams(or somethimg like that). The other night he was in front of an audiance in Cincinnati that was mostly black. He was making fun of the city and using the most awful language. The people in the audiance were laughing their heads off. I thought this really shows how most of them really feel about where they live. They complain about things but they support filth like was on that stage. To me this is one of the problems with the city of Cincinnati. It's time the people of Cincinnati and Hamilton county take back the streets and make it a better place again. Let the police due their job once and for all!

at 2:05 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous tiredofitall said...

Wasteful spending is the cause. Fountain moving, purple people bridge, the banks, a trolley system - quit spending the money on frivolity and put it into a new jail. No one will go to fountain square and the banks as long as it is not safe. This time make the jail a jail - someplace they do not want to be - right now they get exercise rooms, a pool, and other perks - it is like a vacation for them. And forget about rehabilitation programs - it is clear they DO NOT WORK and are a waste of taxpayer money - case in point, the NCH shooting of a store owner after the parolee had conned the judge into letting him out early because he completed a rehab program. And stop picking on the police - get out of the way and let them do their job. They should be paid twice as much.

at 2:06 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous alvon said...


at 2:10 PM, January 14, 2008 Blogger UncleRando said...

The number of murders in Cincinnati has dropped roughly 25% over last year (which was also a decrease from the year before that). Violent crime overall is also down across the city. Most neighborhoods have also seen a drop in 'Quality of Life' crimes.

It seems like this piece would have been more relevant two or three years ago, but not now. The numbers just don't agree.

Furthermore, I would expect someone as astute as Mr. Deters to understand how a capital budget can be spent. The money the City has proposed for the streetcar is roughly 25% of its overall cost, and it will come from the capital budget since it is a capital improvement project. This money simply can NOT be used for something like a jail.

It is also interesting to see people pick over details of a streetcar that is proposed to cost $100M when there are highway projects all over this metro that are costing billions of dollars. Knowledge is power.

at 2:20 PM, January 14, 2008 Blogger UncleRando said...

One other thing that I love about this discussion thus far is that an issue about a lack of jail space has turned into the typical City of Cincinnati bashing that this region has come to do so often.

I'm sorry but I just don't understand how a discussion over lack of jail space/crime turns into a rant about Downtown being "dead" or the Freedom Center requesting money for their property. Hey while we're at it, lets throw the requisite Nky v. Cincinnati piece out there.

This jail tax failed across the entire county and showed little improvement over the previous levy. Maybe it isn't the poor leadership of the City of Cincinnati that is causing the problem...maybe it is the historical problems of the county constantly raising taxes on its citizens.

at 2:22 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Deters is correct. If you dont extract the root the problem, it blooms again. Until the issue is removed the process re-occurs. If you were doing lawn care you can pull the dandalion out by hand (thus leaving the root) it will look nice for a few days but within a week the problem is back. Bandaided policies dont fix the issue.
Enough piggyback law making and someone needs to sit down and make a decision (sometimes it makes you the bad man) and be proactive. The issue is plain and straight, not a racial one, but crime (and crime is colorless), whether by any race or creed until the policy is set for zero tolerance and like others have expressed the hamstringing of law enforcement (no that doesnt mean a police state for you extremist screamers) but a solid foundation of zero tolerance (you commit the crime, you do the time) we will continue to reap the rewards of the careless society. We are seeing what we bought, which in effect is our own insecurity. Thank you for reading my rant.

at 2:22 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, reads "Cincinnati Gentleman" magazine, and those who do don't do so for the articles.

2. Given the timing this is obvious campaign fluff and of course The Enquirer reprints it. But since the Dems are too craven to run a candidate against him, it's a moot point.

3. Cincinnati is not "going downhill fast." Tons of investment, new construction and for what it's worth, political stability. Nobody needs City Council to "lead," they just need to stay out of the way.

4. A "homosexual male"? Please. Downtown's bar scene has changed because of changing demographics and development.

at 2:22 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous YEAH DOWNTOWN!!! said...

How many of you have been downtown lately? How many of you live, shop, and play downtown. You all make it out to be a horrible, unsafe place, but it is not! It is thriving and those who are trying to hurt the new downtown development do so with an agenda. I have been downtown and it is amazing! Get out of your doomsday mindset! The riots are long past, there is an amazing area that is our downtown. Go down and enjoy what it has to offer, spend some of your money and watch it grow. Come out of your suburbs (which aren't so safe!) come play and see what downtown has. Joe Deters...go back to Columbus, even better, go to another state!

at 2:22 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...


at 2:45 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I completely agree with the comments but anyone that thinks that a candidate could promote these views and get elected in the City of Cincinnati is detached from reality.

at 2:45 PM, January 14, 2008 Blogger Mark Miller said...

Make up your mind Joe. Is the REAL PROBLEM lack of jail space, or the spirit of lawlessness? The number of cells hasn't changed before or after the riots, so we'll have to go with lawlessness.

Of course inmate population will spike while police get us back to pre-riot crime rates. But Butler County can house the temporary overflow. The current budget crunch makes that hard, so the County will have to bill the City for its inmates like they should have been doing for years.

All this talk about a new jail is distracting us from solving the REAL PROBLEM.

at 2:45 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe probably won't go downtown...a downtwn that has gotten pretty vibrant lately.

Joe blames the Collaberative for handcuffing the cops. Anyone ever see the names on the Collaberative? there is Streicher's and the FOP's. They both endorsed it saying it was good for Cincinnati.

Joe is a throwback to the seventies. He should get out of the way and let some younger, more free thnking people get in office. After all, he was run out of Columbus and his name is MUD everywhere bt Cincinnati.

at 2:47 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give an unethical prosecutor a zero tolerance policy and lots of jail space and you will have a lot more than just criminals sitting in jail. An accusation from the police will be all it would take to put a political enemy behind bars. As much as I hate crime, I hate more the idea of living in a police state. There has to be a better solution.

at 2:50 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Deters is symptomatic of what's wrong with Cincinnati. Too many so-called leaders who don't lead. They take sides and throw blame at the other side instead of sitting down and working thru disagreements and problems. It really started with Charlie Luken's abysmal lack of leadership during the riots - remember, he was so mad at the black activists that he refused to sit down and work to reach a compromise. His obstinence signaled to others that it was ok to do the same. Following his lead, the Bill Cunninghams, the self-appointed black activists and others just dug in their heels even deeper and the divisions widened. In spite of the disgraceful insults hurled his way by the black activists, Luken should have weathered the storm and reached out to other, more moderate black leaders and begun a dialogue on longstanding grievances. THAT'S WHAT LEADERS DO! They lead by example. But if your example is a Mayor who won't dialogue with an aggrieved constituency, then that's the lead others follow. And that's exactly what happened. Now, six years laters, Joe Deters is still talking about the riots and you've got a city where people don't even try to compromise. They immediately take sides and have no interest in what the other side has to say or think. It's the same old game that keeps this city mired in the divisive politics of the past. Our city is a national joke. Just ask Proctor and Gamble how hard it is to lure new employees to Cincy. Our city doesn't need another grenade launcher, Joe. It needs so-called leaders like yourself to set the example for community outreach and unity. You want crime to decrease, work with some neighborhood groups in black communities ravaged by crime. Those people are dying - literally - for solutions. That's how you build consensus for a new jail. Do that and credibility and trust for your office will grow as well. That's how you make progress on crime, Joe. By working with the people most affected by it. That's true leadership. And there's far too little of it at the courthouse, the police station and at city hall.

at 3:02 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone that previously worked for the Sheriff's Office I have no problem with people going to jail. The issue is how much money is now wasted by the Sheriff's Office. Let's look at figures. The Sheriff's Office currently has 400-500 Corrections Officers and annually trains 4-6 academys of 20-25 officers. They are replacing roughly 25%+ of their staff each year due to a lack of "management skills". The Sheriff more or less says do it my way or get lost which is fine if he financing the replacement of these officers but he is not - the taxpayers are. There is a reason they started accepting 18 yo people as Corrections Officers - he ran out of suitable people in the area that were over 21. Any idea how much the Sheriff's personal assistant makes? Did you know she is an attorney? When told he was not allowed to have an attorney he simply changed her title. Would anybody besides me like to see an independant auditor go through the Sheriffs Office books? Why would I vote for an increase to pay for a new jail? Put the existing money to good use and then see if we still need an increase. I doubt it!

at 3:16 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous CincyCapell said...

Joe Deters, a corrupt political hack who would have been prosecuted if not for his GOP cronies cover, crawled back to little old Cincinnati with his tail between his legs after being booted out of Columbus. Big surprise, he's providing cover for another corrupt GOP hack, Tom Strike-her. Streicher's tenure as chief has been an unmitigated disaster for this City. He encouraged the police slowdown that allowed crime to gt out of control, he has repeatedly been insubordinate to City Council, he's stolen from the department by using police manpower for his family funerals amongst others, and just recently diverted money earmarked for street patrols to remodel his office in opulent style.

The County controls the courts and the jails, and all of the judges are Republicans and most are former prosecutors, by the way. So who really deserves the blame for not putting criminals away? The (until last year) republican run County, that's who! Deters was too much of a coward to take a public stand on issue 27, and now that the smoke has cleared he has decided to chime in. Typical GOP coward.

Both Streicher and Deters need to go ASAP. They are both dirty, corrupt officials who should be run out of town on a rail.

at 3:21 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the downtown bashers are CRAZY!

Another new place opened over the weekend, which is about average.

Quit whining, Joe. I think it's funny when you talk about your election in 1999.

What about your ethical lapses that sent you scurrying home, tail between legs?

You have no room to talk.

at 3:33 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cincinnati is still a nice place to live. Yes, change needs to happen. Not a new jail, but spend the money on creating new jobs.

at 3:45 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I left Cincinnati at the end of 2002 & moved to Colorado.Sighting way to much violence in the city,to much racism,(on both sides)nothing to do,lack of outdoor activities,all the overweight & unhealthy people,all the republicans & haters,Alot of ignorant people,the crime rates are out of hand, the music & entertainment scene took a crap and has never rebounded(Mostly beacause of the boycott,which is still in effect), the sports franchises could care less about it's customers,the cities laws are almost communist, & the economy is very weak,(I owned a cafe' in clifton & the demographics were not intrested in healthy food & supporting small business) NEED I SAY MORE!!!!

I grew up in Mt.Washington and have lived all over the city including the neighborhoods of Northside,Walnut hills,Mt.lookout, and a few others.Guess what, if you are successful and living in the city,You're a prospect to get robbed and possibly murdered.After living in the greater Denver area for 5 years and coming home to visit,I realize just how bad the cincy area really is.I hear nothing but complaints from my friends about there is nothing to do,I see the same gloomy faces on everybody's faces, and It's always overcast(Maybe a clue about all the industry & it's effect on the weather) Cincinnati is no place to raise a family anymore,it's a place for thugs,drug users, & criminals.

I'm 32,soon all the smart young people will be gone,like me.Then what?????Cincy is in need of a facelift, not just the downtown,but it's people and way of thinking!!!!

at 3:48 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a off the wall idea. How about shifting focus towards reducing/eliminating the overwhelming amount of guns on the streets. Stronger policies on gun control may just be the poison we need to get rid of the city's infestation of crime.

at 4:01 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

>What is the root cause of all the crime?

The root cause? Deters addressed it: The sense of lawlessness among "certain segments" of the population.

And by "certain segments" I mean young, fatherless black males, especially in Avondale, College Hill, OTR, Winton Woods, and Northside. Young, generally fatherless black males who come from households where there is no discipline at home and no ramifications for doing wrong. Homes where it is 'status quo' and 'normal' to have done time. Doesn't everyone? (no!).

It's not PC to admit it, but the rise in crime comes almost entirely from this segment of the population. Face facts.

But it's not always PC to point this fact out, but I will.

There's your problem: Now fix it!

at 4:04 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now I remember why I moved out of Cincinnati!! Downtown is a mess!

at 4:07 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't you get it? Nothing is ever Deters' fault.

Not the ethical trouble he got into in Columbus, not the rise in crime in Cincinnati. Nothing.

I am sure he is reading this from the comfort of some bar in the suburbs.

at 4:10 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fact: Crime rates are actually decreasing in Cincinnati. See for yourself at this government link: http://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/pages/-5166-/

I agree with other bloggers that have commented on the amazing progress and improvements downtown - over the past year in particular.

Beware of politicians that tell you what to fear and who to blame. Chances are, they're either posturing for something or using it as a distraction from the real issues.

Kudos to the readers and bloggers that have seen through the misinformed hyperbole.

at 4:11 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps Deters should look to his office for the reason that criminals act with impunity until they actually commit murder or some other newsworthy crime. The manipulation of the grand jury systems by his assistants is disgraceful. Ignore "minor" felonies or turn them into misdemeanors and you'll end up with more disorder and offenders who brazenly go on to commit more serious crimes. Blame the police for bad cases and grand jurors for not indicting; either falsehood doesn't remove the prosecutor's failed policies! If a car is vandalized that is the prosecutor's, it is a felony and his investigators are right on it. No such preferential treatment for the rest of us. Google "broken window theory" and you'll make the connection.

at 4:14 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone who grew up in No.Ky. and moved to Cincinnati as a 21 year old, I see the decline. I have a friend who grew up in Cincinnati and never went over to No.Ky. and now he say's "everything looks so clean over here", well that's because people in Northern Kentucky care not only about each other, but their property and community. Cincinnati has become a dirty, crime infested area. No longer is Main Street a cool place to hang out, not since that band member got shot and killed outside of Tommi's years ago, that's when it went downhill. And the Freedom Center debacle? Oh my, that place couldn't have been put in a worse place. It it's intention was to bring peace and harmony amongst Cincinnati's residents, it has brought nothing but riducule and finger-pointing snickers, and of course,losing money by the second.

The worst decision I ever made was coming across the river and buying a home in Cincinnati. If I was financially set to sell it, I would in a heartbeat, no regrets. Unfortunately, I deal with rising taxes going toward nothing but ill-willed projects and helping those who won't (notice I didn't say "can't), help themselves. Black crime is a HUGE problem, and unfortunately it is accepted anymore and not taken care of.

at 4:20 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Compare the Cincinnati Public Schools with Louisville's. How many of the "thugs and criminals" are dropouts from this stellar district, whereas Louisville's are highly ranked nationally.

at 4:27 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the newspaper and other Media outlets use a standard template, something similar to this __________, black male, 19, was arrested____(date/time location)__ for using a gun to___________ (rob, kill…). Seriously, have young, black men’s lives been reduced to templates?

If young black men’s lives have been reduced to Media templates. White men’s have been lifted to Idol status. Every white man I know looks “Perfect” like Presidential candidate Ron Paul. JOE DETERS Or Simon Leis, Jr. Just perfect. Combed over hair. Leather worn face. And they’ve lived the “good” life.

What exactly is the white man’s crime? Yes the media reports the white man’s crime. However, the media hasn’t exactly reduced them to templates _______________, white male, 89, was arrested but not CHARGED ________(date/time/location) for ________________(perjury, money laundering, priest molestations, murder “aka” Mr. Peterson 1 & 2). Forgive me for using Mr. Leis as a template.

at 4:29 PM, January 14, 2008 Blogger Quim said...

I used to like Deters. With these ignorant comments following on the heels of his comment that letting party leaders manipulate elections because it's cheaper than running a real election, he has really made an ass of himself.
That he sees no possible benefit to the city investing in transportation infrastructure (streetcar - not a trolley) in an attempt to spur economic development and how that could help reduce crime is unbelievable.
That he doesn't see the police slowdown in OTR under Streicher's watch as turning the neighborhood into a crime incubator is nuts.
That he doesn't see the city and county working together more than they ever did during the Luken & Heimlich administrations is hopeless.
That he thinks he should be taking away the car keys of his 19 yr old son who is old enough to join the US military and drive a tank is delusional.
From some of the earlier posts her, should we be expecting Deters to run for mayor ?

PS- Anonymous Coward 3:45 - learn how to construct a sentence and spell. You are an embarrassment to the community.

at 4:35 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The voters of Hamilton County have spoken loud and clear these last two elections. WE DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR A NEW JAIL! Maybe Si and Joe shouldn't be tying to fill up the current facilities with people who should be in treatment programs (DUI drunks, drug addicts, the mentally/emotionally disabled). The justice system isn't the right area of government to deal with our social problems.

Don't believe the baloney that come out of Joe's mouth: a county jail is for misdemeanor violators, Ohio's Department of Correction's prisons are for the hardened criminals.

Joe's more a part of the problem than a part of the solution. There shouldn't be over-charging for offenses from the Prosecutor's office. Misrepresentations such as these give rise to higher than needed bail, unnecessary convictions and excessive jail or prison time.

at 4:41 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Black crime?

Let's ask Sergeant Bryce Bezdek...almost killed by a white driver high on heroin or possibly one of the officers putting on hazmat gear to dismantle meth labs...are the black people blowing up sheds with pipe bombs or murdering their four children before commiting arson?

Crime is crime people. Unfortunately,lawlessness has no color.

at 4:44 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous cincy911truthguy said...

T-N-T Deters hits the nail on the head.

The black community has made a mess of itself - time to clean up your own backyard and stop blaming whitey for all your problems.

at 4:49 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Joe Deters is absolutely right. After the 2001 riots, and the way things were handled, crime has been a problem. I live about 10 minutes north of downtown and have even seen a decline in safety creep up here. Has anyone been to Tri-County Mall lately!!!

Also, I worked downtown in the 1980's, and went out after work many nights. It sure is different now. I've made the effort to go down there, but it isn't worth it.

My husband and I were just in downtown Indianapolis where we felt perfectly safe.

As soon as my husband retires, we are outta here...

So sad.

at 5:13 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps if we dropped that kind of money into the school system, then children would not become thugs.

If we dropped that kind of money into after school programs, then our children would not turn to crime and parents who have to work would have another solution rather than letting the kids run on the streets.

That is something I could get behind. Locking criminals up is small part of the solution. Educating our kids to become decent adults will prevent crime.

at 5:14 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 4:49, what does Tricounty Mall have to do with the City of Cincinnati? Did you flunk high school geography or something?? It's in another city for god's sake.

I seriously doubt that you or any of the other cowardly, knuckle dragging suburbanites have been downtown in the last 5 years. If you don't feel safe in there than you had better move to Mayberry folks. If any of you went to New York City or Chicago I bet that you would be so frightened that you would pee your pants.

What a group of backwards, frightened, provincial rubes you are.

at 5:15 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deters is just as much of the problem as the city. Within in the criminaljustice system his office is disliked. The amount of cases that the grand jury ignores or reduces has deemed the grand jury process as "rapid reduction". His office has a tendency to take felony charges and reduce them to the misdmeanor elements so that his Supreme Court numbers give the illusion that he has a high conviction rate. What he is doing is just as bad as the city locking people up for minor posession charges that are payout tickets in the rest of the county.

at 5:42 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of the ignorance is astounding.

Deters didn't take a position in the jail tax issue because there would be a conflict due to his status as chief attorney for the county and the split the commissioners had regarding this issue.

To think crime is no longer a problem in this city is borderline insane. The city is experiencing some success IN SPITE OF the high crime rate and perceived safety problem. The city and county needs to commit to ridding the city of violent crime. That means putting the resources into hiring more police, increasing funding to the prosecutors office, and raising funds to build a new jail facility.

Social programs are important, but the most important thing the city can do is get the most violent offenders off the streets long-term.

at 5:57 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

That there is a crime problem goes without saying. But this Chicken Little behavior on Deters' and others part is absolute hysteria. Cincinnati is a beautiful, vibrant, soulful city. Cities that others have touted as being safer than Cincinnati probably aren't, and they also are bland and boring compared to the 'Nati. I live in Athens, Ohio, and I can say that the arts, sports, and just plain raw beauty of Cincinnati attract me and my money. The nay-saying and negativity of Deters and others is a gross misrepresentation of a truly lovely place. Anyone else agree?

at 6:06 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in Hamilton. I quit visiting downtown Cincy after I had trouble with a bum trying to grab my girlfriend and then jump on the carridge we were riding in. Isnt there loitering laws downtown? If so why arent they enforced? I don't need the trouble. K
eep Cincy and your problems, Ill go elsewhere.

at 6:37 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 5:42 is wrong. Deters had no more a conflict than did Leis the Sheriff or the Gehring County Treasurer or Dusty Rhodes the Auditor, yet all of them took positions. Deters didn't want to publicly clash with DeWine or the COAST wackos, who are his political base. Now he comes out and bashes the City for problems caused in great part by Hamilton Counties mismanagement of the courts and county prosecutors office.

Deters should be lucky that he's not in jail for his ethical violations in Columbus, which pretty much ended his political ambitions beyond his present job.

at 7:07 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a transplant to the city, I agree with Dieter's comments and observations. This is a beautiful city with much to offer, but will never reach its full potential until crime is brought under control. I have heard gunshots from my window twice this year..a first for me. I take more care than I have in any other city (inc NYC) to guard my personal safety, but could still easily be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

at 7:14 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Posted 5:15 by Anon. Deters is just as much of the problem as the city. Within in the criminaljustice system his office is disliked.
I am a member of Court Watch and one who campaigned for Issue 27. I am in court 3-4 days a week and talk to many court personnel. Most prosecutors and judges love Joe Deters. It is the defense attorneys who may have a different view. Deters has made it clear the his office will not plea bargain with crimes committed with a gun. That's good!

People don't seem to realize that these thugs repeatedly committing misdemeanor crimes quickly graduate to felony offenses. Ask residents of Price Hill, Westwood, Northside, and most west side communities if they feel like crime is declining.

I'm delighted to see the nay-sayers to Issue 27 now think that the City will cover the inadequate funding. Who is going to cover the City when their money is depleated due to crime?

Whether the homicide is 59 or 89 that is way too much. Now we're seeing increasing gunplay among juveniles as young as 12 and 13. You may be snug in your condo watching Reality Shows and eating delivered pizza but take a look at what's going on in the court room and down the street from you.

Tell it like it is Prosecutor!

at 7:23 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

One part of the problem is a lot of people here don't seem comfortable admitting to themselves they live in a *city*. Good and bad things happen in a *city* setting. Many big cities have residents who understand and deal with these realities as part of the bargain for living in a place with the advantages that come from living in a major city. We don't seem to handle that well here.

Deters is also a part of the problem, not a solution -- despite all his tough talk. Do any of you folks who think he's Mr. Law & Order and wants to knock the street thugs back in order recall the day he showed up after Mike Allen's resignation and just barely made the filing deadline to be in the election? There, holding his place in line, was none other than his good friend, Ken Lawson. I'm still trying to get my head around that one.

Deters is a fraud and politician, not a leader, and his biggest concern is trying to get his Republican cronies back into position where they can again take their power in the county for granted. That's why he takes the time to pen a piece like this piece of tripe. It's just for public consumption. If we had a prosecutor who cares a tenth as much for the people as O'dell Owens does in his job, we might have a chance for positive change.

at 7:39 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I rarely comment on these blogs, but this time a felt the need to put in my 2 cents.

Joe Deters has many good points, the city is going right into the toilet. I think he has a real mess to deal with, but he is trying to do what needs to be done.

The problems are everywhere though. The crime is OUT OF CONTROL. WHY, the reasons are many. You have a ecconically depessed area, people don't want to be where they do not feel safe. This means they do not spend money, If they don't spend money businesses close. Now people have no income and time on there hands, this leads to criminal activity.

The demagraphic in the city is mostly low income blacks. Since that is who lives there, they commit most of the crimes in the city. That is not meant to be racist, that is just the way it is. People do not visit the city just to commit crimes. As crime goes up more people will be driven away. Yes Cincinnati is not the only place with crime, but Cincinnati is the point of this discussion

Yes the Jail needs to be replaced, there does not need to be a concentration on rehab. They need to make jail a living hell you do not want to be in. Maybe Joe needs to charge these criminals in such away that they do hard prison time.

Joe has made some very good calls refusing to charge people for defending themselves and property. Criminals need to see that will happen if they commit a crime, they will have swift and severe penalties.

I don't blame the police at all, what ever they do the media will turn it against them. They are just trying to survive. Cops are good people for the most part, but they can't do this job alone. They need community and media support.

The city government is a mess, they need leaders with the nerve to do something. They need people that are not afraid of pissing someone off.

The Community needs real local leaders and mentors. Not bunch of idiots and crack addicts telling people how to live. There are many great people that have risen above there surroundings to become very successful. These are the kind of folks kids need to learn from. It's not about Color, It's not about income level. It's about making your own life, your own community BETTER.

They are some great people in Cincinnati, look at Odel Owens. He is a prime example of what someone can become.

Bottom line everybody needs to get over themselves. Don't be affraid to be called racist. Don't be affraid the make your community better. Don't blame every one else for your own mistakes. If you commit a crime go to jail for a long time.

Make the city someplace people want to be, the ecconomy will improve. If there is money coming that means jobs. Jobs mean people can live better, when people are living better they are less likely to commit crimes. This means crime goes down, It starts a cycle that makes the city a better place to live and work.

at 7:39 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Deters is correct in his letter; however he did not go far enough.
Hamilton County is facing a major shift in crime. Cincinnati Police are doing a fine job of fighting crime. The problem is that they are pushing the criminal element into the suburbs. Look what is happing to our great townships and villages. We need more police and Sheriff’s Deputies in the suburbs to stop the criminals before the suburbs start looking like OTR.

at 7:58 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Bob - Northside said...

Simply amazing! What nerve. Nowhere - NOWHERE was Mr. Deteres to be found during the new jail vote, though the Hamilton County Sheriff was begging for it! And then a swift kick in the pants to a genuinely refreshing idea regarding street cars and efforts to remake and reclaim downtown Cincinnati and Over the Rhine. Yes, crime is an issue, but so is a declining city and if you asked the youngsters dying to get out of here as to why that is, I'm certain crime wouldn't make their top ten. You should stick to what you do best Mr. Deters; grandstanding for the people and then executing them.

at 8:06 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Here to make a point said...

Here's what we need. Deters as procecuter, Richard Jones as sheriff he is one tough enforcer with no tolerance for B---S---. Build a prison camp out in the country. Start having criminal raids, I mean bus loads of arrest. Clean house and send the criminals to bust rocks in the prison camp. No excuses !!! Commit a crime, go to the prison camp for a long time. Make the courts turn key, make the prisoners live in the camp until they go to trial. Maybe that will get some attention from people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

at 8:33 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 6:06an why don't you take care of your own backyard and let those of us who live in Cincinnati & hamilton county worry about our area, since don't live here. Hamlton is a crime ridden cesspool.

at 9:31 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Deters & Leslie Ghiz are the only ones who get it in this town. Neither one of them parse the words -they tell it & let the chips fall.

I'm sick of the crime & the racist threats I endure by the black thugs. Gawd, they're everywhere these days & every white person is a target for their racist abuse. The other day, I was walking to my car in a lot & just because I wasn't walking fast enough past this black hussy welfare queen in her smoking beater, I got blasted by her & her giant-sized mama. Had I used language like that on her, she would have been pressing 9 on her phone with the plastic thumbnail, calling the Po-Po with some trumped up, jive crap. I let her go on with her racist rant & racial ignorance. It ruined her day, not mine.

I'm retiring soon & I'm out of this town of racist black thugs. Deters & Leslie can't pull this city together alone. I believe many people have just given up & will pull up stakes. It's a matter of time.

And to that Court Watch/Anon 7:14 person, that's exactly what I intend on doing. Getting out of the county completely & into a nice, snug condo. Don't knock the people moving out. It's their choice & anymore, it certainly seems like a very wise & safe choice. Knock yourself out fighting the criminals, if that's your thing. I'm going to enjoy retirement & safer, higher ground!

at 9:52 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why didn't Deters take a position on the jail tax?? He's a politician - nothing more..

No one's running against Leis/Portune/Deters & the Democrats get to keep their Commission majority. This stinks to high heaven.

Keep voting down anything these criminals propose.

at 10:28 PM, January 14, 2008 Blogger Kevin LeMaster said...

"if you are successful and living in the city,You're a prospect to get robbed and possibly murdered."
No you are not. What an irresponsible statement.

The demagraphic [sic] of the city is mostly young black males"
Not even close.

at 11:08 PM, January 14, 2008 Anonymous Jim Meeker said...

I really have to laugh reading the anonymous comments from the backwards, cowardly, bed-wetting denizens of the Greater Cincinnati 'burbs. You think Downtown Cincinnati is dangerous? What planet do you people live on?? What, 10 years ago you were Downtown and some bum asked you for some spare change??? You have obviously never been to a major city like Chicago, L.A. or Manhattan. You sad sacks could never hack it in a real city, could you?

Downtown is more vibrant and safe than it's been in at least two decades. I work Downtown, and my Wife and I are downtown nearly every weekend until the wee small hours and we've never been even threatened in any way, shape or form. There are bars and restaurants on every street and people are everywhere.

If you don't like it here then move, folks.

at 5:33 AM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Joe Deters - skip streetcars, trolleys - whatever you want to call them - and fight crime. I don't like going downtown in daylight anymore and won't be headed to Over the Rhine at any time of day. He's right when he refers to the streetcar as "the last in a long line of bad ideas from City Hall". Stop wasting our money.

at 8:33 AM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Joe Deters, also. I would not feel safe taking my family downtown. The city has to show that it's safe, and there isn't a bunch of thugs hanging on the street corners.

at 9:03 AM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Puhleeeeeeze Joe D.

A lot of factors have gone into the problems of OTR and Downtown, but the key one was the post riot police slowdown.

The police sold us out, plain and simple.

It will take more than police enforcement to make things better. It will take a multi-faceted approach of law enforcement, civic engagement, development and a little faith to make these areas vibrant.

One sure way NOT to do it is give a free rein to the current police chief. The culture he has created in the Cincinnati Police department is becoming more toxic everyday and his latest antics with refurbishing his office are enough to say he should not be trusted.

at 9:31 AM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Dave in Anderson said...

To those who describe Mssrs. Deters, Streicher, and Leis as "criminals", "corrupt", etc. I have a suggestion. The next time you, your spouse, your child or another family member, friend or neighbor is physically accosted or robbed CALL A LIBERAL NEWSPAPER OR TV REPORTER OR POLITICAL CARTOONIST TO COME TO YOUR AID. Don't call the cops - you obviously believe they are wrong for the job. Tom Cruise, Brittany Spears, Whoopie Goldberg, and other celebs you may admire do nothing to make your lives better in any way, yet those in public service who either put their lives on the line for you or manage and support those who do - i.e., our law enforcement, fire and military personnel, some social workers and teachers, etc. - work for peanuts to keep you safe and/or improve society ... and you trash them at every opportunity. Are they ALL stellar humans? Perhaps not, but are you? Are most of us? At least they have the guts and willingness to attempt to protect all of us - even the yellow-bellies who constantly criticize them - but they sure aren't doing it for the big bucks and respect paid to them. If you really need to complain about something in our society why not complain about how much you're being taxed to house - for years and decades - the human animals who have committed such horrible crimes that they can and should never have the opportunity to walk among us again and should be put to sleep like the rabid animals they are? Why not complain about victim rights instead of criminal rights, or how our nation's school districts don't teach kids (because most parents don't know about or teach) conflict resolution techniques, the psychological differences between males and females and how to interact, and racial and social tolerance? Why not question why anyone - regardless of lack of education, minority age, lack of intelligence, inability to support or the reasonable future prospect to support, mental incapacity or criminal record - can have kids and abuse or mistreat them while you pay to support them all and the problems they create / will likely create in our society? Why not complain to our nation's leaders that they need to redirect the majority of money spent on welfare into supporting the rebuilding of a (private enterprise, not government run) national manufacturing capability to employ more able-bodied Americans and provide more tax revenues to our Treasury? Perhaps that makes no sense though. The real issues - those that too many of you seem concerned about the most - appear to be about where our leaders stand on abortion and homosexuality, and how wrong they are to oppose our leaky borders and the benefits being afforded the 20 million illegal residents among us. And how much you miss the shows curtailed in Hollyweird by the writer's strike. God help us! (Oops, sorry, we can no longer mention anything about God or religion because it's not politically correct.)

at 10:16 AM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

People can disagree with some of what Deters said, but the people who think "only" having almost 70 homicides is a good year have lost their mind. 2006 was the all-time RECORD! A 20% decrease from that is not impressive overall. 6 years ago, 60 homicides was unheard of!

at 12:06 PM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Boss Cox said...

Dave in Anderson is an obvious right wing wacko. The cr*p about the 'liberal media' is ridiculous, could any news organization in this area possible have given Deiters, Streicher and the CPD more of a free pass over the past decade? And when Streicher's behavior finally became so completely out of control that even the Enquirer had to ask questions, right wing stooges like Dave come out of the woodwork to claim that those who hold public officials accountable somehow 'hate cops', 'hate the military' and even 'hate the USA'. Sorry Dave, that's an age-old right wing tactic and we all see through it.

Ask the experienced senior sergeants on the CPD what they think of Streicher and they'll tell you that he is the worst chief in the history of the department and that he is directly responsible for the low state of morale on the force.

I hope that Streicher enjoys his luxurious office, paid for with pilfered funds that were meant to increase street patrols, while he has it, because there is a strong movement on Council-amongst both Charterites, Dems & Republicans-to give him the boot.

at 12:22 PM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the problem -- everybody thinks they are the victim. Too many white folks think they are at risk of being victimized, so they take their money and move out to a McMansion in the former cow pastures of Warren County. Too many black folks react in turn for being blamed as an entire group by some whites (the Joe Deters of the world) as the cause of problems, so they close ranks and blame the white establishment. Meanwhile, everyone is forced to sacrifice because of the inherent disadvantages that come from taking up these positions.

The first key is leadership that has credibility with all sides. Deters and his friends clearly fail that test. The second part is finding an answer that interrupts the cycle of endless violence and lost lives that young people in our community can't seem to escape. Guess what? Simply cracking down from the authorities alone isn't going to get the answer done on that question.

You have to provide people hope that things can get better. That's the first step. We've made some progress down that road in the past few years. The politicians who move us further along that path are the ones who will truly earn the title of "leaders" -- not the Joe Deters/Archie Bunkers of our town.

at 5:01 PM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is funny about this comment is that for the past two years crime has dropped in the City of Cincinnati by nearly 20% each year. Also, Cincinnati is one of the safer cities in the county. For all of the complaining you all do about the horrible crime rate, when have you ever heard Cincinnati mentioned nationally for crime rates. It doesn't happen because we don't have a high crime rate. The perception of crime is due to an over abundance of local media that has no real news to report, and a county sheriff and prosecutor who bring up crime every time they want something from us. If the sheriff and prosecutor are really unable to curb the crime problem in the city and we are really as crime ridden as they say, and have been for over a decade, shouldn't we get a new sheriff and prosecutor who will do something to stop the crime. The street car has nothing to do with the jail. I suppose Cincinnati should stop everything until crime is under control. Shut down the Aronoff, tell the Reds and Bengals stay home. Better yet everyone stay home it just isn't safe to go outside. Deters is an idiot, and if wanted a new jail he should have backed it not taken the political safe road. Hey Deters if crime is such a problem, you're the prosecutor, do something about it.

at 7:22 PM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a little fact that np pne has brought up; of all the murder victems over the past two years, you can count on one hand the poeple who were killed who were not either involved in the drug trade, or victems of domestic violence. Random violent crime is a rather rare occurrence in Cincinnati. It happens, but it also happens in Mason, Montgomery, West Chester, Green Twp, Springfield Twp and elsewhere.

You bed-wetting cowards need to get a grasp on reality.

at 7:29 PM, January 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need the new jail so they can start indicting felons, instead of just reducing the crime to misdemeanor at the prosecutor's pleasure without a hearing. Seems the law is being skirted,and appropriate punishment is not given.

at 12:00 AM, January 16, 2008 Anonymous NoGo Deters said...

I wonder if Republican Deters supports progressive sex ed and birth control for poor black kids... Because "poor black babies having poorer black babies" is the root of the crime problem in this town. Combine this factor with how sex ed and birth control are considered taboo in ultra conservative Cincinnati, and you have a no-win situation from all angles.

Who the heck reads "Cincinnati Gentleman" anyway??? Featuring Joe Deters proves that the title of the magazine is an oxymoron.

at 1:11 PM, January 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe Prosecutor Deters can borrow the Mayor Mallory's personal BODY GUARD...to protect his 19 year old son while visiting OTR's "entertainment district".

at 1:13 PM, January 16, 2008 Anonymous Bryon said...

Among his points: although “well-intentioned people” are spending millions to revitalize the city’s core, “it doesn’t matter where you move the fountain. One punk with a gun can ruin everything.”

Among my points: Although "rational, well-informed people" are spending time, effort and money to revitalize the city's core and OTR, "it doesn't matter how much sense the streetcar makes. One narrow minded, fear-monger prosecutor with a forum, can ruin everything."

You have to spend money to make money. We need to turn OTR into an economically viable community, and the streetcar project is the best way to accomplish such a thing. For what its worth, the TIF money that would fund the streetcar, is not money that will ever be generated if the streetcar doesn’t come to fruition. Therefore the funds are not available for Deters’ suggestion. The only correlation between the proposed public transit project and crime, is the fact that the (re)development the streetcar will spur, will help alleviate crime.

To be honest, I think the Enquirer was a bit irresponsible in putting Deters' comments on the front page, as very little of it is based in facts. I would hope that the Enquirer would strive to better the city is supposedly serves, rather that promote unfounded fear that will only hamper it.

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