Retirees On The Warpath
Cincinnati city retirees, fired up about City Manager Milton Dohoney's plan to make them pay more for health care, plan to show up en masse Monday afternoon at council's finance committee to talk about why they think the plan is unfair.
The city administration defends the plan by saying it brings, which an ordinance requires, the retirees' costs into line with what current employees pay. Plus, Dohoney says it would save the city $23 million a year.
He has proposed easing the change in prescription coverage, with a $1,000 cap on out-of-pocket expenses for drugs. That would apply to current and retired employees. That drug benefit change would reduce that projected savings by $800,000 a year.
Dohoney had already started putting the changes in place before finance Chairman John Cranley granted the retirees a public hearing.
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This sounds like a corporate welfare plan designed by the 'fanatical five': chrisy boRatz, jeff biRd-ling, laketa cole-abeRator, chRissie mon-zealot, and gizzy-lizzeRy !
Hey, we have a great idea:
How about cutting the funding to 3CDC and use those funds for those whom has served our city well !
How about giving the retirees a parking garage and they could use the revenue for funding their insulin shots !
PATHETIC !
VOTE NO on the 'fanatical five' !
VOTE, for a real, DEMOCRAT 2007 and Jeffre !
Does Jeffre support the retirees?
Does Jeffre really have the guts to speak publicly about this issue?
The latest addendum to this wholesale sellout is the 3% COLA will be cut out as well. Social Security doesn't do that to the retired folks.
Dohoney needs to get over this saving the City money on the backs of the retirees. He wasn't around for the 10+ years when the City didn't fund their portion of the Retirement Fund. He wasn't around when City Council completely bypassed the retirees when it was time to divvy up the Anthem proceeds.
The City has saved millions on the sweat equity of the retirees. Millions.
Guess what areas need the money badly? The Mayor's international field trips, the City Solicitor's posh journeys which she claims aren't actual vacations because she can be contacted at anytime by pager or cell phone, & let's don't forget the Social Services freeloader programs.
There, quite possibly, might be several individuals campaigning for those comfy council seats who might find themselves on the outside looking in should they cut against the grain of those who built this city.
When and where is the hearing?
Jim Parker
www.JimPARKER4ad.blogspot.com
The bold guy(gal?) is right on this one.
The Ghiz, Bortz & Berding crew have been gunning for the retirees.
Look at what Ghiz told CityBeat about their Fascist Five budget plan was in December:
Source -- http://citybeat.com/2006-12-20/news.shtml
Another proposed change involves how much the city pays into the pension fund for retired workers. Dohoney wanted the city to pay 21.77 percent of its total payroll into the Cincinnati Retirement System to help cover shortfalls in its liability, but the council majority instead wants some retirees to begin picking up part of the cost for their medical insurance coverage. The coverage now is entirely paid by the pension fund, even though skyrocketing health care costs have forced current workers to pay 20 percent of the coverage, with the city paying the remainder.
"An 80/20 split is what most city employees are paying, and that is fair," says Ghiz, who was an attorney who handled labor union issues for the city before being elected to council.
Under the plan being mulled, older retirees still would have the entire insurance amount paid by the city, but younger retirees would have to cover some of their own costs. City government has about 4,500 workers drawing a pension.
By reducing the city's pension contribution, about $3 million to $4 million could be saved annually that would be used to pay for other services, Ghiz says.
Privately, some members of the council majority partially blame Cranley for the current budget impasse. They say the city's Retirement Board almost approved a policy change a few years ago that would have required retirees to pick up more of their health care costs.
Want to support the retirees?????
IT'S CALLED FAIR TAX!!!!!!!!!
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Want to support the retirees?????
IT'S CALLED FAIR TAX!!!!!!!!! 1:15 AM, September 21, 2007"
Once again the use-less idiot of the NAZI party (tnp) spews the elephant dung propaganda !
What is tax ?
Money !
What is Money ?
A man made illusion of value, PERIOD !
How can we justify billions to kill in Iraq and zero to care for our elderly ?
The moral compass is off kilt !
In the scheme of things the lives of our children and elderly reveal our character !
These retirees may be caring for a grand-child, setting money aside for their college, etc.
To ROB their fixed income to care for their health is just:
wRong wingnut whacko !
PATHETIC HypocRites !
HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2007 !
ut younger retirees would have to cover some of their own costs.
God forbid! City employees and retirees should pay no less than the median paid by private sector workers.
I'm sick and tired of bloated public roll bottom feeders thinking they're owed everything and shouldn't have to pay anything.
Sounds like the foot-tapping bold typist has been couped up in the restroom stall way too long.
The retiress with the sweetest pensions complain the loudest! Listen to Kevin Shepard, Fay Dupee, Ann DeGroot.
They sould pay what current city employees pay. Simple.
City employees and retirees should pay no less than the median paid by private sector workers.
City workers are paid far less on the hour than those in the private sector. Way less. In the past, to compensate, their retirement benefits were made more attractive than the private sector.
One can't change the retiree benefits in this case. Every one of them signed a binding, irrevocable agreement with the City. The retirees had to choose very carefully their stipulations as they could not be adjusted down the road.
Only a handful of City retirees collect around $1,200 a month. No social security, no Medicare. The bulk of the monthly pension is in the range of $800 to $1,000 a month. Again, no social security, no Medicare.
Those people built this City, kept improving & operational.
I agree with the other Anonymous poster. The money saved on the backs of the City retirees will go to plump up the Mayor's spending, the City Solicitor's continued absences, & the freeloader Human Services programs. Any council person who jumps in the lap of Dohoney on this will not get my vote.
For once, the dude with the bold italics is absolutely correct. Sacrifice our elderly who got up off their duffs every day & worked for the City at a parsimonious rate of pay.
I'm sick and tired of bloated public roll bottom feeders thinking they're owed everything and shouldn't have to pay anything.
Oh, you need to get your facts straight before you needlessly get sick & tired. Those City pensioneers had the run of the mill deductions taken from their paltry paychecks like the rest of us this day & age. Their pension contribution, medical insurance, & the customary taxes. The only absent deductions were Medicare & Social Security.
And those retired folks aren't bottom feeders. The biggest percentage are regular laborers who paved streets, fixed water lines, handled street lighting (until that went to the energy company),parks maintenance, trash collection, etc. These are the people who were out each day in all kinds of weather keeping this City going. There is a small percentage who had cozy desk jobs. As I said, the rest were just a sneeze above common laborers.
Bottom feeders my foot. The bottom feeders are the ones who belly up for the all-for-free social programs kettle of big money. Ones who haven't done a hard day's work in their life.
Leslie Ghiz, Chris Bortz and Jeff Berding are going to cut the retirees. It is that simple.
Leslie Ghiz, Chris Bortz and Jeff Berding are going to cut the retirees. It is that simple.
Oh really! It looks like you are wrong yet again!
It seems the one that had to be convinced was Dave Crowley, the Human Services point man.
It's 9-0, as Monzel has always supported the Retirees.
With that, you can go home now. You're done here.
Honestly...most city employees retire when they are in their early to mid 50's after working about 20 hours a week for thirty years. They get paid for forty. They get other jobs, or at least they should. They should pay exactly the same as active city employees.
Period.
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