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Wednesday, July 25, 2007

Bortz on Benches

People are still questioning Chris Bortz about his idea to limit those advertising benches along Cincinnati streets, which passed council in June and took effect early this month. City Manager Milton Dohoney says the city doesn't have spare time or spare money to start a massive remove-the-benches campaign now, but that the ones that violate the rules will be taken out. He hopes to have all those that violate the rules off the streets by the end of the year.

Here's Bortz's latest elaboration, from an e-mail exchange with Stephen Dapper, a guy who writes that he might just line his property with the benches:

"The bench company pays the city $30 per year per bench to use the public right of way. In turn, the company charges anywhere from $18 to $35 per week to advertisers. The company earns, net of permit expense, a minimum of $900 per year per bench. There are over 1,000 benches in the city. The math is straightforward. In effect, the company makes a substantial profit by using the public right of way. Given the quality of the benches, it is clear that the company’s profits are not plowed back in to the product. Graffiti is not removed and trash accumulates on and around the benches. The city has no say over the content of the paid advertising, the quality or type of bench used, and, until recently, could not legally remove illegally placed benches. Interestingly, the last time the city tried to deal with the issue, the company offered free advertising to community groups and community councils to win political support.

There is no absolute First Amendment right to use the public right of way for profit by placing paid advertising. That kind of speech (commercial speech) is protected, but the State (read the government) has no obligation to offer public property for private, for-profit use.

My intention is remove the advertising benches and replace them with nice park style rod iron benches or something similar. It is the first step of many which I hope will clean up the area around the bus shelters, not to mention all along the neighborhood business districts. I believe if you clean up the environment, people are more likely to keep it clean. Furthermore, as the "broken windows" theory goes, people are less likely to commit crime.

Unfortunately, some people have the notion that I intended to just remove the benches. Of course, that would be callous, and was never my intent.

Please don't hesitate to write again if you feel I have missed your point."


18 Comments:

at 7:34 PM, July 25, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bortz doesn't supportz keeping swimming pools and health clinics open even though on the campaign trail he said he did and now he wants to waste our tax dollars on brand new benches.

The problem with silver spoon politicians is they are arrogant and out of touch with good community values. People should come before park benches Mr. Bortz!

You won't get our supportz anymore!

 
at 7:55 PM, July 25, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since this is a political blog, why not report on how Chris Bortz is buying a Republican party nomination? It will be announced vey soon.

 
at 9:12 PM, July 25, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typical wRong wingnut whacko, mad brad grand-stand all about benches along the curb!

These clown-cil bench boys were merely doing their job !

Hardly worthy of press coverage !

Yet, Graffiti people evidently had an innovative plan ?

Seems the wRong wingnut press should choose to serve the public with the full details of the plan !

Instead we receive the "fishwRap's" wRong wingnut whacko elephant propaganda

 
at 9:10 AM, July 26, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good for Chris.

Obviously, public space and money should be used only to help his daddy's business.

 
at 10:25 AM, July 26, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bortz "callous?" Never!

 
at 10:51 AM, July 26, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, this would really hurt Mitch Painter's campaign strategy. Painter calls himself a "developer," but his business is actually the "We buy ugly houses." He rehabs houses and then rents them out Section 8. All his "We buy ugly houses" advertising was on benches, but he recently converted all those to "Painter for Council" benches. All in all, it's a pretty ugly campaign strategy.

 
at 11:38 AM, July 26, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris, you can't mess around with bus benches. Inane trivia like this is chrissy monzel's job.

 
at 2:39 PM, July 26, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having read Mr. Bortz'comments, he is obviously not speaking for the public and not thinking it through. I found more thoughtful insight into the benefits of the ad bench at www.benchbillboard.com/benchbenefits.

 
at 3:20 PM, July 26, 2007 Blogger usefullidiot said...

Hmm,

No place to sit while waiting on public transportation, great way to champion the poor. How about proposing a ten dollar tax on cigaretts? That will get you the iner-city vote.

 
at 3:28 PM, July 26, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris -

It's "wrought" iron. Rod iron is probably a C-list porn star.

 
at 3:44 PM, July 26, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet if Bortz EVER had to ride the bus and use a bench, he would have a different feeling about them. Riding in his Lexus I doubt he even notices the underlings who have to sit there in the rain waiting for the bus.

 
at 11:55 AM, July 27, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...



We think we'll sit on this one awhile !

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2007 !

 
at 1:31 PM, July 27, 2007 Blogger Kevin LeMaster said...

"Hmm,

No place to sit while waiting on public transportation, great way to champion the poor. How about proposing a ten dollar tax on cigaretts? That will get you the iner-city vote."


He said he wants to replace the advertising benches with non-advertising benches. Did you even read the article?

 
at 3:18 PM, July 27, 2007 Blogger usefullidiot said...

Thanks for the insight Kevin, let me make sure I have this straight, the people that ride the busses are going to have a place to sit with the city picking up the tab for the instalation and maintanence on the benchs, the city loses the rental income, and once again big goverment puts another poor small buisness schlepp out of work and how many employees??? OH!! I know the ansewer....team up with Portune and John Pepper's kidd on this sales tax thing to fund the bench's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT'S IT....THATS THE TICKET!!!!!!

 
at 5:30 PM, July 27, 2007 Blogger Unknown said...

Of course Chris Bortz doesn't care about allowing bus riders to sit down while waiting for their bus or kids having a place to swim during the hot summer months.

What's important to Mr. Bortz is giving The Freedom Center another $1 million. That'll help our residents!

 
at 3:43 PM, July 28, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to side with Kevin on this one. If Bortz does get his way, then the city will have to spend the money on the benches. I still don't think it's a good idea, but I do know how to read.

 
at 11:36 AM, July 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it wasn't for his last name, Chris Bortz would be sleeping on the benches.

 
at 6:43 PM, September 24, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Entire email exchange follows



Dear Councilman Bortz the Younger,

Thank you for responding, you have missed the point, however, I’m beginning to understand your motives. You have calculated how much money you believe Mr.Graumlich is earning from his business, which you perceive to be close to a million dollars annually. Then you have the effrontery to ridicule his companies style of benches, and temerity to write “it is clear that the company’s profits are not plowed back in to the product” To me your motives are clear, you are consumed with the evil of Envy. Bench Billboard Company is private, you have no idea what their profit is. Me? I doubt it is that great, if so there would be competing businesses, that’s how it works in a capitalist, free enterprise society, as second generation of successful business you enjoy the benefits of your father’s hard work, without the slightest idea of what it takes to start a business.

In 1959, (about the time Town Property began, your dad an another fellow whose name I can't recall) Bench Billboard Company assumed the risk of starting a business to fill a need, a public need that was not addressed by the government. Now, nearly fifty years later, fifty years of marketing, and problem solving, (hard work) evil envious you want to destroy his life’s work. If you don’t like his benches you and any investors you might interest should buy his business, that’s the way it’s supposed to work here in the good ‘ol USA. After your buyout is complete your board of directors can determine if they wish to continue earning a profit from their investment or have “nice park style rod iron benches or something similar” (I think you meant wrought iron benches) I have a wrought iron bench under towering maple tree surrounded by hosta’s you and your board of directors are welcome to try out, in the unlikely event your company decides to be philanthropic shunning advertising, or I’ll send along a photo if you wish (when sun comes up) I’ve had wrought iron bench over twenty-five years, iron company in Covington made it, might want to try them if they’re still around, it does require painting every ten years or so, your company will probably want to paint it more often, you seem to fuss over image. I’ve included this link for your new bench companies review, my bench is similar, mine has a more contoured back and seat, the edges more rolled. I prefer my bench, and if you agree your company will be supporting local economy.

1000 benches times $30.00 equals $30,000.00. That’s $30,000.00 of citizens money, since you must feel that’s not important I suppose we can take that from your pay, aaaight? I have contacted a swami I know regarding City’s bench situation. He told me if the City removes these benches replacing them with ones that are not, as you describe "very attractive, they're poorly kept and they're not very comfortable," a future City council, in a budget cutting measure, will eliminate “division of public settees” holding auction of all benches down on Bates Street. Then all residents will be back where we were 50 years ago, with young scholars stuck in the mud and snow, way to go Bortz, another example of rule of unintended consequences.

Have a nice day!

Stephen Dapper


From: Bortz, Chris
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Childhood memories


The bench company pays the city $30 per year per bench to use the public right of way. In turn, the company charges anywhere from $18 to $35 per week to advertisers. The company earns, net of permit expense, a minimum of $900 per year per bench. There are over 1,000 benches in the city. The math is straightforward. In effect, the company makes a substantial profit by using the public right of way. Given the quality of the benches, it is clear that the company’s profits are not plowed back in to the product. Graffiti is not removed and trash accumulates on and around the benches. The city has no say over the content of the paid advertising, the quality or type of bench used, and, until recently, could not legally remove illegally placed benches. Interestingly, the last time the city tried to deal with the issue, the company offered free advertising to community groups and community councils to win political support.
There is no absolute First Amendment right to use the public right of way for profit by placing paid advertising. That kind of speech (commercial speech) is protected, but the State (read the government) has no obligation to offer public property for private, for-profit use.

My intention is remove the advertising benches and replace them with nice park style rod iron benches or something similar. It is the first step of many which I hope will clean up the area around the bus shelters, not to mention all along the neighborhood business districts. I believe if you clean up the environment, people are more likely to keep it clean. Furthermore, as the "broken windows" theory goes, people are less likely to commit crime.

Unfortunately, some people have the notion that I intended to just remove the benches. Of course, that would be callous, and was never my intent.

Please don't hesitate to write again if you feel I have missed your point.
From: sdapper@fuse.net [mailto:sdapper@fuse.net]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:28 PM
To: Bortz, Chris; Tarbell, James; Mallory, Mark; Monzel, Chris; Crowley, David; Berding, Jeff; Ghiz, Leslie; Thomas, Cecil; Cole, Laketa; Cranley, John; JPRENDERGAST@ENQUIRER.COM
Subject: Childhood memories



It is the responsibility of the patriot to protect his country from its government.
— Thomas Paine

Greetings City Council Persons,

I was raised in Fairfax, fifty years ago, as a child I would ride Metro to Williams YMCA on McMillian, later, Metro would return me home. I made this journey sometimes often as three times a week..
I can remember standing in snow and rain awaiting the bus, I vividly recall my mother chastising me for returning with wet dirty gym bag, why was my bag wet and dirty? My bag of swim suit, gym clothes, towel, and assorted materials for craft classes was heavy for an elementary scholar, standing at Bus stop in Rain and snow I would lose my grip dropping my bag in snow and mud, there were no benches at bus stops back then.

Years later I began to notice benches along our City’s Bus route‘s. Remembering childhood experience I said to myself “I wonder what philanthropist, or humanitarian group, is providing these benches” As the years passed these benches became available at many locations. And that was good.

Imagine my profound depression reading Council has passed a law to remove these needed benches. What’s the matter with you people? You all ride around in chauffeured limo’s? Never bothered to use public transportation? Or take a walk?

I’m going to contact Bench Billboard Company and suggest he move the benches to other side of walk, off the right-of-way, onto private property where he can negotiate fees with private property owners. Think I’ll line all my property with his benches, don’t like it? say zoning won’t allow it? kiss my ass, see ya’ all in housing court where I’ll demand a Jury Trial, I’m betting most jurors have used the benches. I know nearly all citizens have had enough of being pushed around, keep going down this path and the people will fight back, time is near, I spent past few months gathering signatures for tax petition, talked with thousands, you best leave their benches alone.

Have a nice day!

Stephen Dapper

 
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