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Wednesday, May 30, 2007

More of what commissioners said about the sales tax

Didn't get enough?

Well, here's some more of what county commissioners said about their sales tax vote Wednesday. In case you coudn't tell, Todd Portune and David Pepper voted to enact the tax. Pat DeWine voted against it. Still want to hear more? Call them.


Todd Portune
513-946-4401; todd.portune@hamilton-co.org
-“It’s time now to end the debate and end the posturing and act now to solve this problem. We have the authority, duty and responsibility legally and morally, to solve it. The studies have been done, the hearings have been held and it is time to act.”
-“No one is afraid of a vote, but the reality is it is our job to solve this problem.”
-“If there was another plan that didn’t cost the public any money that would solve these issues and deal with this problem comprehensively, it would have come forward. We can’t just print new money to cover this initiative. If we don’t act today, if we pass this on to other people, this problem doesn’t go away.”
-“The plan we have put forward today is a good plan, a comprehensive plan, it will work. There are no other alternatives. It’s my recommendation that we adopt resolution No. 2, to enact the tax on its own.”
Pat DeWine
513-946-4405; pat.dewine@hamilton-co.org
-“Today, this board has taken steps that will burden Hamilton County taxpayers with some of the highest taxes in the state, forcing an even greater loss of population from this county and discouraging economic growth. The action taken by the commission majority is too expensive, fiscally irresponsible, and 2.5 times more costly than the one rejected by voters just last year. I cannot support this misguided proposal.”
-“Perhaps the most disturbing of all is the determination of the commission majority to avoid a vote by an informed majority of the electorate. This is a democracy after all. If the majority has a good proposal they shouldn’t be afraid of a full public airing.”
David Pepper
513-946-4409; david.pepper@hamilton-co.org
-“Public safety is my No. 1 priority. Band aid solutions have cost us a lot and gotten us nowhere.”
-“I hope people see there is a good faith effort to incorporate the ideas we heard.”
-“We are talking about lives. If we think we have a solution to solve that problem, why would we sit and wait for months and months to allow the further erosion of these lives being lost?”
-“I take it as our responsibility. We are elected to make some of these decisions. We’ll get the criticisms that we know we’re going to get. If we have a solution to this No. 1 priority issue that will save this county untold millions and will get people out of jail that don’t need to be in it and will reduce crime, I think in the end it is the right thing to do. The time to act is now. Waiting costs us in too many ways.”


17 Comments:

at 7:44 PM, May 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's 2 boys who won't get re-elected. That tax won't go away in 15 years because there will be another slick politican to keep it in place.

I support a modest jail facility, but I'm not paying for a resort & spa for a bunch of criminals. This business could have been avoided if the county put the criminals on the hook for the bills - make them pay their fines & court costs. Charge them a per day fee while incarcerated. Other counties do it, as well as several in Ohio, so it isn't unconstitutional. Have the criminals post probation bonds when the Judge sentences them to community control. The criminal blows it, he loses his bond money.

The stadium, the schools, & now the jail - what's next that we'll be put on the hook for? What is next?

 
at 11:08 PM, May 30, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's start a recall vote for Pepper and Portune.
Maybe they will realize the people were serious when they said NO.

 
at 12:15 AM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the last poster, the problem is they will get re-elected because of name recognition. Did the jail need to be built answer yes but if we are going to pay for a new jail lets make it a big one and charge other counties to house their prisoners here like Butler Co is doing why is it everything this county takes on a new project a new large project the little guy always get it in the end? It is a crazy world when DeWine is the only one making sense on an issue. The truth is Si wanted his jail and threatened and he got it. I hate when we stand up to these politicians and say no they do what they want anyway. If we get anyone out of office it should be Si Leis!

 
at 1:59 AM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 7:44, stop whining and being greedy - pay your fair share to solve this pervasive problem plaguing the county.
People aren't leaving because of taxes - they're moving because of the crime.... and people like you who don't want to pay their fair share to have a better, safer community for all of us.
Repealing this initiative will make the county look like the wild west with gun slingers and cowboys fighting in the street (just like we had the other day and on national news)

 
at 8:04 AM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't they getting the land for free? I know they need to pay to build the jail, but what I wonder what they are using all that money for since they are now taxing us for more than the put on the ballot. **Sniff, sniff** I smell pork.
No wonder this city is called PORKopolis

 
at 9:09 AM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

7% sales tax is not gready it's insane. So this makes our gas how much now?

 
at 10:36 AM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

We "DO NOT NEED" a new jail, PERIOD !

Si wants his prison motel to generate more Fed rental fees !

Why does Pepper's book report claim there is a 70 % approval poll for the plan ?

Why are they worried about passage ?

Sales taxes are regressive !

Sorry, we are with Da-whine on this one !

PATHETIC !

 
at 12:12 PM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, most of the increase is because they're proposing to pay to RUN the jail that is being built. Jail are more effective when they can turn the lights on, open gates, and pay for security guards to keep people from escaping. A novel idea that DeWine and Heimlich didn't quite grasp in their plan (they only were building a building, not operating it--which is the most expensive part).

The plan is also smart enough to figure out ways to keep non-violent offenders from ending up in the jail over and over again, wasting money and jailspace.

 
at 12:56 PM, May 31, 2007 Blogger usefullidiot said...

My children knew what "NO" ment at an early age.

 
at 3:13 PM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well no, that isn't the case at all. The jail budget comes from the general fund. The November 2006 levy included operating funds, but only to cover the increased costs. The Pepper/Portune tax includes all operating costs, an entire new array of social spending ( that hasn't been defined as of yet), payoff to the sheriff,s dept. and some of the local townships. The red herring " recidivism" and "prevention programs" are simple canards for funding programs under these new trendy themes.
Now the real question is what will become of the general fund money that won't be spent on jail operations? Hmmmm? D'oh! Looks like our Demo Duo didn't try and explain that, nor did the crafty media bother to ask.

 
at 3:28 PM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want proof of the impact of operating costs on having a jail - ask butler county- until we, in hamilton county, started renting beds from them , they had a whole wing closed down because they couldn't afford to operate the darn thing.

so, right now, all those operational costs paid by US is spurring the economy of butler county by employing their citizens (heck, they revised their whole county budget based on US paying the way)

 
at 3:49 PM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous at 10:36 am said:
PATHETIC !


What - no call to vote Democrat this time? Afraid they might raise our taxes again?

 
at 4:43 PM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone else besides me notice that the Right-Wing Nutjobs have been off their message ever since Falwell died? Dude really must have been telling all those so-called moralists what to say and do.

 
at 7:45 PM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

People aren't leaving because of taxes - they're moving because of the crime

Oh really. Does the sucking sound, also known as the Cincinnati Public Schools ring a bell with you, Anon 1:59AM?

People in general aren't necessarily leaving because of the crime, as for the greatest percentage of residents, the crime isn't smack dab on their street, on their doorstep.

FYI - I pay my fair share, thank you very much. I get up off my duff each day & hold down a job. I can hold my own, thank you very much. I don't need you to dictate what I have to accept & what I don't.

When this jail circus fails to erase the crime in your community, you'll be back whining & crying. Won't matter because they'll have your money.

 
at 11:33 PM, May 31, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"....What - no call to vote Democrat this time?..."

Certainly, one can realize when there is a wRong wingnut whacko, html impersonator, lurking !

PATHETIC !

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2007 !

 
at 9:54 AM, June 01, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

My family and I are planning to move to the Cincinnati area later this summer. And YES, we are keenly aware of the property tax situation in Hamilton, Butler and Warren County. We are moving from an area that the property taxes for a $150K home is about $1000/year. For most of the comparable homes here in this area the property taxes are at least double that and many times triple that amount. Our real estate agent told us that everytime the politicians come up with something to build, a new property tax is tacked on. We are seriously looking at Northern KY and even IN to buy a home because of the outrageous taxes we are facing in Cincinnati. So, the answer is YES, to people either moving away from or into the area because of tax nonsense like I am reading in the paper.

 
at 2:12 PM, June 01, 2007 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yu get what you pay for folks - comparing a large urbn county to Indiana is rididulous - when you get old out there and need in home care to stay in your home rather than go to a nursing home - you'll find the community services division of government is undeveloped and wholley lacking. Bigger cities, communities, have been around long enough to have programs to meet these needs.
Now, in the good ole KY - shall we talk about education or health care or dental care (oh, whoops, they have absolutely no dental care and it is obvious as soon as you cross the river and the nice, welcoming folks greet you with a smile) so education: KY is only recently getting their schools on track at all levels (why? because they have grown and raised their tax base, andit will grow more)
NKY, like Warren and Clermont counties, are in a growing spurt - we did that 40 years ago. The need for higher taxes is directly proportionate to the age of the community and relative to the quality of life services and programs they provide.

You get what you pay for and if you aren't willing to pay your fair share (like maintaining a house) it will dilapidate (sp?)

 
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