Oba remembered
More than a dozens citizens spoke at Wednesday's Cincinnati Council meeting about the shooting a week ago of community activist Kabaka Oba, who died Saturday.
To commemorate Oba, a single folding chair from the audience was pushed in front of the other chairs . Someone put two signs on it reading: "Reserved for Kabaka Oba" and "Kabaka Oba never dies."
54 Comments:
Good riddance. Our city is better off without his kind.
Please characterize his "kind." Inquiring minds want to know.
Let's all take a moment to remember Tom Callinan's blog.
It was fun while it lasted. He never did answer for the lack of coverage in the County Commissioners race, but he had such a way with dodging questions.
Your blog will be missed.
Your old friend
Dean, after watching the proceedings at City Hall for a number of years, I conclude the poster means citizen or activist, quite possibly a citizen activist.
oba was an anti-semite & white apologist, just like you - jason haap (a.k.a. the dean).
you asked, i told.
donny
Hey Dunce, kind = agitator who lacks any sort of respect for society who openly & loudly shares his bigoted, racist and hateful views for all the world to see. Each week he took advantage of a citizens forum to spew forth viciousness typical of a foul mouthed street thug.
Last week, an hour after calling the police nazis, those same professional men and women were working hard to save his life. Becuase they, unlike him, saw equal value among all human beings, not just the black man.
I'll never forget him taunting the widows of fallen police officers.
They say turnabout is fair play. That's why I'll be at Sunday's visitation returning the favor.
(Last week, an hour after calling the police nazis, those same professional men and women were working hard to save his life. Becuase they, unlike him, saw equal value among all human beings, not just the black man.)
He called some of the police Nazi's and those police probably didn't come to his aide. He also said that he has no problem with the good police officers. . . I guess you missed that!
(I'll never forget him taunting the widows of fallen police officers.
They say turnabout is fair play. That's why I'll be at Sunday's visitation returning the favor.)
I believe that you say that you will be there but you won't. I would love it if you were there but you won't be. Some people are always making threats and not following through. I dare you to go and taunt anybody. Please!
Andy 11:55, any White faced person who speaks up or attempts to take back their neighborhood from the criminals is a racist. You can speak about many things & the Black Klan will call you racist.
Fred, I vividly remember that incident with the widows of fallen officers, too. Cowardly. Menacing. Threatening. Yea, when one does dirt, it comes back around in the worst way. I was thinking of standing out in the warm sunshine with intelligent people. I'll have to see how many others are thinking about turning out for the same reason, enjoying the Spring sunshine.
Anonn 12:19, bugger off.
The Racist Aba is now roasting in hell.
We should all take moment in our busy day and be thankful that his bigoted mouth is finally silent.
Throw my hat in the ring: Michael Bailey was an egregious racist, who spewed his hate at every available forum.
Uh, he'll be missed why??
To all you racist white punks, why don't you stop filling this world & web sight with your hate. STOP acting like you represent every other white person out there. Yeah thats right I AM A WHITE CITIZEN!I think half of you that made comments are probably some of the racist white cops Kabaka always spoke against.
Your comments can't hurt him anymore, he is untouchable now! Larger than you ever dreamed isn't he? I wonder why you find it necessary to talk such trash about him? I think he intimidated you with his strengh, intelligence and commitment to the betterment of ALL THE CITIZENS OF CINCINNATI.
Yeah thats right he fought for equal justice for all, blacks and whites alike. But you wouldn't know that would you because you have never even been at a city counsel meeting, have you? Exactly what I thought.
I guarantee you if you had some lunatic gun you down and you were bleeding on the street he would come to your rescue, call 911, tell you "it's going to be ok brother just hang in there, helps is on the way". He would go to the hospital to see how you were and let your grieving family know what happened to you and offer his help at any cost. He would than speak for you and your family at the next city counsel meeting and demand justice for YOU and YOUR family. He would say "the violence has to end so peace can begin". But you don't know that do you. Because you know nothing about him. Justice and injustice knows no color.
SO, PLEASE SHUT UP FROM ONE WHITE BROTHER TO ANOTHER!!
To:
Andy 4/20 @ 11:55 A.M.
Rick 4/20 @ 6:33 P.M.
A RACIST IS A RACIST WHETHER YOU
ARE A BLACK RACIST
OR A WHITE RACIST
WHICH YOU TWO ARE !!
ANYONE EVER TELL YOU BOYS THAT RACISM IS "WRONG" ?
OH'? Imagine that racism is real and you two boys are poster kids for it.
Thats as far as I can take it with you two. The conversation may get to intelligent for you and I am sure that you wouldn't understand.
Anyone else out there ever heard of the famous phrase:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL !!!!!!!!!
Sit back watch...
Just like they did...
why did the deputy sheriff act like he was there - then chased the car
HE DIDNT
STRANGE WHO GETS PUBLISHED
Oh, the ranting about Michael Bailey is truly precious...
God forbid we call a racist a racist.
Again-----good riddance, you fake-named pain in the ass.
P.E.A.C.E. says:
Satan is our oppressor and RACISM is his tool.
Who’s bidding are you doing today ?
Kabaka is just another black racist. It's too bad that the Blacks in Cincinnati have to hold him up as a martyr; he's just a punk embarassment to the black race that should instead be forgotten.
CABV, Nepal? You haven't a clue of what's going on there, let alone where it is. Get over yourself. Your identity has been outted. (It's good to have the right sources.)
And you claim on Sunday you'll make Nepal look like a silent protest? Ah, I don't think so.
You're just one person running the same fraud as the Black Fist. One or two clowns.
P.E.A.C.E. says:
That tranquility and unity will be
the only thing that is present at
Kabaka Oba's funeral.
I didn't even know who OBA was until I saw him shot.
Itsn't is ironic I was on my way to see a prosecutor about something that happened in the city if it had been anywhere else- we could have worked with it but the City refused and wants to fill their jails with traffic violations that only get fines elsewhere.
Don't go to the city. Their proud of citing people for minor offenses? They brag about giving tickets than they need jail space and guess who pays for both.
anyone who can't sell their house in the city
Please, hurry, someone bring me a Kleenex.....
To Rick 4/22 @ 10:20 A.M.:
Yeah you need a Kleenex, all the crying you been doing.
Because you have been defeated !
Your racism has no merit here !
No one wants to hear your garbage !
GO AWAY !
Chewbacca is dead? Oh no, why didn't Luke, Obie Won, or Hans Solo try and save him?
To Sith 4/23/06 @ 1:40 A.M:
You were obviously up smokin crack when you wrote that.
GROW UP !!
P.E.A.C.E says:
Now we have to bury you my friend.
You took me with you unitl the end.
May God bless your friends and family.
As they now continue the fight for unity.
No matter what others may say, we know your heart was pure gold.
A valiant warrior with battles untold.
I promise you brother I will prevail.
Peace and harmony will be.
ALL UNITIED IN CINCINNATI !!
Can we get this funeral DONE and then get Michael Bailey out of our systems....
Jesus, you guys are making it sound like he was the second coming of Mother Theresa....
He was a huge pain in the ass, a loudmouth, a racist and a rabble rouser...
Oh, let me rephrase that: a common man in OTR rouser.
LOL...
Who? Tobacco Java? Who the hell is Tobacco Java? Sounds like someone having a nicky fit and strung out on caffine.
Now sing along with this old spiritual number, "Nobody knows the troubles I've seen..."
To Justin and the other white rasist who wrote above you:
Guess what I have news for you Kabaka is not dead.
He will never die !!!
See all you think that death has silenced Kabaka, BUT it hasn't!
It has awakened a sleeping giant within those of us you knew and worked with him.
You have 5,000 Kabaka's to deal with now, not just one.
Funny how that worked out, aien't it ?
I suggest that if you don't want to hear Kabaka Oba's name and the injustice of his death.
MOVE OUT OF THE CITY !!!
If you got to be angry, be angry at Howard Beatty !! He is to blame fools.
NOT AN UNARMED AND INNOCENT MAN !!!
I thought Michael Bailey was a fool, but apparently those who knew him are fools too...
God, do I look forward to that uprising of 5000 ignorant, impotent, useless fools..
Oh yeah, a group of idiots just scares the heck out of me.
OK, OK, Michael Bailey will never die. Happy now??
And, oh, it is getting old to be accused of racism every time we say anything against a black man. Which is why, kids, we have the multi-million dollar slave museum on some of the most valuable ground in Cincinnati, as opposed to where the rest of the museums are... Any of our testicle-challenged leaders who would've publicly spoken out against the location of the museum would've been accused of racism.
This is just getting so damn old...
why cant all you rascist just asept Oba fo who he is. he is the nex missiah, he will raise from da grave and ushur in peace an hamony for the city. all prayz king oba.
Thank you Howard Beatty!!!!Damn!!
Someone give this man the key to the city!!!!!!
In the words of Scrooge, "Thank ya very much, thank ya very much, that's the nicest thing that anyone has ever done for me..."
Its interesting to see how many people post negative comments and spend all day hiding behind a screen showing much wisdom and heart, lacking true heart and understanding of what it means to stand up for righteousness. Fred, Icon, Andy and the superior one who seem to want to control the topics with negative tongues and speaking, not realizing that we were born to fight and die. One day we'll pour the dirt over your casket and brush the worms from away as they seek to devour your body for food. You have no sense of what it is to be wise. Your desire is to seek pleasure in downing others for their efforts yet you sit on your cowardly behind and make statements about the ones who do seek justice. You are one of the shameful things that Cincinnati offer our prospective residents. At this point, it doesn't matter what you type about Kabaka. He has done his job and if he has YOU spending your everyday speaking on him, he's done even more, because HE HAS YOUR ATTENTION. (SMILE)
Nothing you say or type will take away from KABAKA. WE whose wise, understand his reasons and we appreciate his efforts because, like it or not, there is evidence of racism in 2006 here in Cincinnati and has been for years now. IF Rev. Dr. King was still living in the flesh, Cincinnati would be his working arena. To allow the KKK to even step foot in downtown Cincinnati is a slap in every white person's face because it disgraces what progress your people aims for. Your race of people have a lot to answer for, with all the wrong doings that occurred many years ago and its time for you all to stand up against the things that are used to destroy your race. Black people are not your enemies and never have been. You have always used that as an excuse but we(Black people) have always been there to care for you as well as kiss ya behinds and to clean up after you. The truth of the matter is, YOU CANNOT MAKE IT WITHOUT US!. We don't have to sleep with you to be ya friend, but we can unify to make this city a better place, being fair in every aspect...jobs, housing, etc. As far as our officers are concerned, there are those who ARE guilty and we are guilty when we allow them to get off scott free when they cause an accident or cause death to occur. The officer made the decision to chase or shoot and death is death and the law was designed that NO ONE is exempt. Cincinnati is guilty of covering up and until these lies and manipulations are no more, Cincinnati will continue to suffer and we as residents will suffer too! I THANK GOD FOR KABAKA and those like him, willing to stand up against evil and take the abuse that Cincinnati offers for fear of being exposed, because if speaking up against evil sends me to my grave, then so be it!!!
I believe that their is more to come with this battle and in the end, there will be MANY KABAKA'S who WILL stand up against the whoredoms that Cincinnati is good for covering up. I saw the destructions that Katrina left and its sad to say, but Cincinnati too will be humbled to a kindhearted, unselfish people, just like Mississippi, with all it's history of murder. What your race of people must realize is if you kill off the blacks, YOU KILL YOURSELF and all your businesses and workers and your income stops. Who will work for your pennies? Wealth where have you gone and why have you left the elite? Wake up my white brother and sisters. Black people have a reason to be angry or the right to want more. Why is that a problem for you? Your ancestors were theives and murderers and its time to clean your house. Their are those among your tribe who are of evil decent and you need to rid yourself of those within your tribe, of your race who will rape you of your inheritance. For those blacks who hide in Amberly village, those who decided to cross over, if you made that decision, then thats personal and you speak not, for you are weak...
Kabaka was a fighter and we will miss him very much, but the battle will continue until the race is won!!! So those who don't want to rock the boat because you've forgotten, or because you feel your household has not been affected by the brutality of the police, you sit still and wait your turn, because evil respects NONE and none are exempt. You who live happily alone, will stand in tears alone, because the truth is, Black and white together will suffer together until these of evil orgin are gone from the presence of our city and THAT is what Kabaka stood for. If you are an officer, then search your heart and tell us that your heart is pure and sincere and that the deaths that you have caused here in the city was justified. We hold nothing against you if you admit to making a mistake, but to lie is the thing that destroys the bondage that you so seek to make. Mike Allen tried to justify it and now where is he? Mayor Lunken tried to justify it, now where is he? Hello? Wake up people...
God is not pleased and may he have mercy on our souls...
To ladywisdom:
You are right sister; racism is very rampant here in Cincinnati.
It's ironic because whites and free blacks fought arm in arm to keep this city free from slavery for hundreds of years. You are also correct Dr. King would make this city his arena. He would take his white brothers hand & black brothers hand and march arm in arm down Main St. demanding an end to racism and equal justice for all. Kabaka did and would have continued to do the same. So my question to you ladywisdom is, are we willing to acknowledge the past which is unchangeable and move forward to unite? Or do we continue to fight and punish a generation of whites who had nothing to do with slavery?
Don't get me wrong sister there are those in the city who continue with the same hatred for their fellow mankind that lead to slavery in the first place. Ask your self are we really willing to forgive?
I truly feel that one of the reasons Dr. King and Kabaka were killed was because of their message of unity. THEY BOTH REALIZED WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER. A CITY DEVIDED AGAINST ITSELF SHALL NOT STAND. WE ARE ALL SUFFERING, IT HAS GOT TO STOP.
I call for a ceasefire, a truce between blacks and whites.
Brothers and sisters let us lay down our arms. Whether it is a real gun or your tongue that is shaper than a three-edged sword which speaks hated and racism.
See the enemy does not want us to unite. Our united army would control this city thats why.
I heard a brother speak at Kabaka's memorial service one day last week regarding "Know your history here in America" he said. So I did and what I found may shock some of you.
There were many white brothers and sisters who fought to abolish slavery. Who sacrificed their homes, land and some their very lives for their black brothers and sisters. How much of their blood was spilled fighting the Civil War? See we have UNITED BEFORE and WE HAVE PREVAILED, TOGETHER!!
Speaking of which I would like to close by referring to a great man who I knew little about until last week. He met Father Fredrick Douglas in 1847. His name was John Brown. Father Douglas remarks about his meeting with Brown were "though a white gentleman (Brown) is in sympathy a blackman as deeply interested in our cause, as though his own soul had been pierced with the iron of slavery". They were brothers united for a cause. Father Douglas did not reject his brother, nor did he hold him accountable for the sins of other whites. After a life time of fighting, John Brown has hung for treason in 1859. Brown had lead a army called the "Black Raiders" which consisted of 5 blacks and 16 whites to raid the federal arsenal at Harpers Ferry, Virginia. Which was to start a movement of anti-slavery and slavery revolt throughout the country. But it failed, they were out severely out numbered, they fought to the death. Before Brown received his sentence he was allowed to address the court. Listen brothers and sisters to what this fallen warrior said. It is befitting to our brother Kabaka Oba I believe if given the chance would have said the same thing, in a different way of speaking; before he received his death sentence as well:
"I believe to have interfered as I have done, . . . in behalf of His despised poor, was not wrong, but right. Now, if it be deemed necessary that I should forfeit my life for the furtherance of the ends of justice, and mingle my blood further with the blood of my children, and with the blood of millions in this slave country whose rights are disregarded by wicked, cruel, and unjust enactments, I submit: so let it be done."
Rest in peace my brothers, we won't forget!!
Remember and learn from the unjust deaths of our leaders.
oba certainly didn't deserve to die, especially the way he did. no one does.
but that doesn't merit some of the euphamisms and threats being offered here. oba wasted his exposure on anti-semitism, police ridicule and various public buffoonery.
i never heard a positive lesson or honest comment to troubled and adrift youth. was there ever a helpful or hopeful message to those who truly suffer or live at a disadvantage?
the enquirer should be embarrassed that it printed chris smitherman's sorry quote, monday.
oba was not a great man, contrary to the failed councilman's misrepresentation.
his public life was egregiously misspent, but his death nevertheless is tragic.
To ladyignorance
"because HE HAS YOUR ATTENTION. (SMILE)"
Yeah Babeee!!! He's got my attention alright! Not for any "great" thing he's done but because he was a victim of a homocide(GRIN).
Whenever ANYONE gets pumped full of lead it catches my attention (SMILE)!! Especially a derelict like Habada Babada (LAUGH!!)
P.E.A.C.E. says:
I'm still waiting for your responce, brothers and sisters.
I will have not went anywhere.
A poem to leave for you all to ponder:
Colors
My skin is kind of sort of brownish
Pinkish yellowish white.
My eyes are greyish blueish green,
But I'm told they look orange in the night.
My hair is reddish blondish brown,
But it's silver when it's wet.
And all the colors I am inside
Have not been invented yet.
written by: Shel Silverstein
Thank you my brother for clearing up the race issue so simply.
There is noone on earth that is not a rainbow of colors.
Kabaka,
I miss you brother, you will never know how empty the world feels without you right now !
See you in the morning.
Love Your Sister
I've waited and watched and now I know--
no one cares
no one is going to do anything
no one knows who set this up
no one?
I really wanted to attend his funeral and tuant his family the way this animal did to widows at the police memorial.
I thought about and realized that he was not worth my time. Some people are better off dead.
I really wanted to attend his funeral and tuant his family the way this animal did to widows at the police memorial.
I thought about and realized that he was not worth my time. Some people are better off dead.
Taunt--
You must be a policeman
Taunt--
soon
I would not be suprised if you were a cop the head one, Mr. Chief himself. He is the only would with so much hate for Kabaka.
The chief is the only one who is thrilled to see Oba stiff?? Uh, no. Not even close.
Actually, it's anyone with an IQ above 2....
Hey Chief, you ever heard the old saying:
Thou Protestith To Much !!!
Feeling a little guilty for being outted are we ?
How sad!?!
That is all I can say for about 90% of the comments made here. As a college graduate who decided to stay in Cincinnati, I must say this is the most racist, sad and disgusting display of human being communication I've ever seen.
You should all seriously think about where all this hatred is coming from, and then pray for God to take it away. While I assume the majority of you are God fearing individuals, whether Muslim, Christian or Jewish - you all believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Think about how He lived His life and then check your beliefs against what you are saying now. I will pray for the majority of you and this city.
I'm pregnant now and it makes me even more depressed to bring a child into this culture of hatred and despair. This is exactly the reason I plan to leave this city before my child enters school; he/she should never have to deal with the disgusting display of humanity that is ever-present in this city and that bred both the negative feelings of Oba and the hatred others had for him that caused them to take his life. Again I say ... How Sad!
AMEN TO THAT !!!
Who wants to know the true story about what happened that DAY??
THERE is criminals everywhere and even in our police force and city hall??
Please inform us all, we all know there is alot more that happened that day than anyone wants to admit. We can tell by the way the murder trial is being handled. Anyone wonder why Mr. Ken Lawson would represent Brother Kabaka Oba in 2003, so well the charge would be dismissed; and turn around and represent his murderer in 2006? Huh, What's up with that. Even Ken Lawson can't do that !! Anyone out there want to take that on? We have got to stop this. It is corrupt from the floor up!!! It's going to be one of us next!!!
I WAS BORN IN CINCINNATI AND LIVED DOWN TOWN. MY NAME IS ALLEN COLLINS I WAS A FRIEND AND CLASSMATE OF OBA I TOO SERVED OUR NATION FOR OVER 22 YEARS IN THE MILITARY AND IT MAKES ME SICK WHEN I READ SOME OF THE HATE THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED TOWARDS OBA OR ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS KILLED IN CINCINNATI.I LEFT CINCINNATI IN 1976 AND NOW KNOWS WHY I HAVE YET TO RETURN TO LIVE. OBA WAS A GOOD MAN AND FATHER.GUESS WHAT WHO ELSE WAS A MEMBER OF THE CLASS OF 76 OF ROBERT A TAFT? GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND REMEMBER WHERE YOU WAS RAISED, YOU HAVE NO PROBLEMS WHEN IT'S TIME TO GET VOTES.YOU HAVE TAKEN OF MEMORIES BY REMOVING OUR HOMES WHERE WE WERE RAISED NOW YOU SIT BACK AND BAD MOUTH SOMEONE FOR EXPRESSING THEIR VIEWS.I CAN NOT WAIT TO MOVE BACK TO CINCINNATI,SO I CAN TELL THE GOOD PEOPLE OF CINCINNATI JUST HOW I FEEL.GET YOUR YEAR BOOK OUT SUCKERS I KNOW YOU REMEMBER ALLEN COLLINS.
MR. OBA IS DEAD NOW.BUT I WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT HE FOUGHT FOR. WE ALL SHOULD BE APPAULED BY BUSINESS' ALLOWING DRUG ACTIVITY TO GO ON RIGHT AT THE FRONT DOOR.I HOPE THE WARRIORS (LIKE MR. OBA) WONT BE DEFRAED. BLACK YOUTHS WHO EITHER USE OR SELL,DON'T VIEW BLACK YOUTHS AS VALUED PEOPLE OF SOCIETY. MR. OBA DID. CINCINNATIAN'S SHOULD CARE ENOUGH TO LOVE THEMSELVES AND IT'S PEOPLE. I HOPE THE PEOPLE WAKE UP,LOVE THEIR NEIGHBOR,AND LOVE THEMSELVES AS MR.OBA DID.
All these fake "warriors", "activist" and "hero-worshippers" of Oba need to shut the hell up!!!!!!!!!
When he was alive there were only 1 or 2 who stood faithfully with him one was General Nikki X. Yes Howard Beatty pulled the trigger but nobody wants to accept the truth about why he did it. Kabaka Oba pulled guns on Howard threatened him and his family got on public access tv, radio and internet doing it and Kabaka the fool had an accomplice name Joy Rolland who is still using those mediums mentioned abouve to continue on where she and Oba left off threatening people and six months after Oba's death Rolland committed a felon by hitting her baby's daddy with her car backing up then ramming his car twice in an attempt to kill him she plead guilty and in February 2007 was convicted of the crime she's been on home incarceration since October 2006 and is now on 3 years probation but has media bridges kicked her ass off that terrorist program NO THEY HAVE NOT! She continue to make videotapes from her apartment and mail them to media bridges where they repeatedly air her threats. If Kabaka's brother Ted Bailey wants to stand for peace and hold rallies in his brothers name he should start by 1. Accepting the fact his brother lived by the gun and died by the gun and 2. Organize an effort to remove Joy Rolland from public access tv where she has threatened Ted Baily, his wife and his family. YES people she has threatened Oba's family. Why? Because even they know whose really behind this whole mess and who started it all.
Howard shot Kabaka but Joy Rolland set him up for it and continues the threats even till this day.
So all you phonies who want to cry over Oba's spilled blood you are all hypocrites cause most of you know how all this got started, who kept it going Kabaka and Joy Rolland (it wasn't Howard Beatty) and who is still today threatening more bloodshed in the streets...Joy Rolland criminal case # /06/CRB/40509 and B 069512
THIS MENTALLY UNBALACNCE PERSON IS A COMMUNITY TERRORIST AND SHOULD BE IN PRISON DOING HER 18 MONTHS INSTAED OF "COMMUNITY CONTROL"!
Now everybody can deal with those recorded facts not just some "opinion"!
Mayor Mark Mallory DO NOT name a street after Oba. You and city council need to stop the funding you give to media bridges until they eject a known community terrorist of their airwaves. To hell with the nazis and the klan! What about a black terrorist? You can't attack Don Imus and the Nazis and continue allowing Joy Rolland to threaten to kill black people on television week after week!
What lessons has Cincinnati learned from Oba's death? ABSOLUTELY NONE!
AND LET'S NOT GET THE STORY BACKWARD.
KABAKA OBA DIED FOR PULLING HIS GUN ON HOWARD BEATTY AND THREATENING AND TERRORIZING HIS FAMILY OVER THE COURSE OF 3 YEARS.
KABAKA OBA DID NOT DIE FOR ANYTHING RELATING TO CIVIL RIGHTS OR FIGHTING FOR BLACK PEOPLE'S RIGHT!
KABAKA OBA DID ALL OF THIS NOT IN THE CLOAK OF NIGHT IT WAS ALL DONE PUBLICLY IN BROAD DAYLIGHT AND THAT'S WHERE HE DIED IN THE PUBLIC IN BROAD DAYLIGHT!
THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL AND HAMILTON COUNTY COMMISSIONER ALL KNEW OF KABAKA'S THREATS TOWARD HOWARD BEATTY CAUSE KABAKA OBA LOVED THE SPOTLIGHT AND HE TOLD WHAT HE WAS GOING DO TO PEOPLE AT THOSE VARIOUS MEETINGS WITH JOY ROLLAND USUALLY THE NEXT SPEAKER BEHIND HIM THREATENING THE SAME THINGS!
THESE ARE FACTS NOT OPINIONS.
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