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Thursday, April 17, 2008

Section 8 at The Banks?


UPDATED:
Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory angrily swatted down demands for public housing at The Banks on Wednesday, saying it was ill-timed and counterproductive to affordable housing efforts in the region.

"How dare they? How dare CMHA," Mallory said testily, the day after the Cincinnati Metropolitan Housing Authority voted to insist that the $1 billion riverfront development set aside a portion of the project for subsidized housing
Original post:

You may have read Greg Korte's story on that idea in this morning's Enquirer.




Here are some reactions from this morning's Hamilton County Commissioners meeting, from Jessica Brown:



- Commissioner Pat DeWine is against it.



"My answer is no," he said. "Taxpayers have already put enough money into The Banks."



- Commissioner Todd Portune declined to give a yes or no answer saying the question was "inflammatory."



When pressed, he said: "We can’t stop them from placing people at the Banks. They can buy condos" and use them for subsidized housing, he said. "The Housing Authority has the right to buy housing wherever they want. It’s against the law to stop it."



He said he supports the mix of housing approved by the city and county in The Banks Agreement, which includes housing at many price points. The condos will start at $150,000 making them the most affordable on the riverfront, he said.



- Commissioner David Pepper said: "I do not think it’s a good idea to throw in the element of subsidized housing at this time."



He said he supports The Banks being affordable for a diverse mix of income levels, which it is under the current plan, he said. But based on the tough real estate market right now, he doesn’t want to add a new element because it could throw off the balance of the project.


Portune noted that Pete Witte from the Housing Authority told him this morning that the organization had simply wanted to start a dialogue with the county about the need to scatter subsidized housing throughout the county rather than concentrate it all in a just a few neighborhoods. He supports that idea.


92 Comments:

at 2:52 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Section 8 at the Banks, Indian Hill, Hyde Park, and 1 Lytle Place would be great!

 
at 2:58 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pete Witte is trying SO HARD to remain relevant it's funny.

This is his, Mary Kuhl's and Don Driehaus's adolescent attempt to "get back" at the City and County for "their neighborhoods" being "impacted" by affordable housing.

If The Banks folks are smart they'll allow (and be rewarded) for inclusive zoning and leave it at that.

Or: Witte can rent rooms in his house to Section 8 tenants.

 
at 3:53 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 2:58 Your stupidity is amazing. "Impacted" should be changed to "destroyed".
If people who have worked hard all their lives want to relocate to the Banks, they surely don't want to live amidst Section 8.

 
at 4:41 PM, April 16, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

I love it. LMAO. I want section 8ers living right next door to Pepper and Portune. The A hole Pepper and his liberal cohorts are responsible for ruining Westwood and Price Hill. Time for a dose of their own medicine.
St CSA

 
at 5:29 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The people over at the Newport on the Levy have to be getting a good laugh out of this one.

Section 8 housing has destroyed Westwood.

On North Bend Rd at I-74 today I saw a billboard for the St. Catherine Festival to be held at the HARVEST HOME IN CHEVIOT.

Why is this? The parish expeirenced incidents involving section 8-type people at their festival when it was held on parish grounds. The festival committee and parish decided to move the event to a SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD.

The problems encountered at the St. Catherine festival involved muggings, people being pushed, attempted thefts at booths, etc.

THIS TYPE OF STUFF DID NOT OCCUR WHEN THERE WAS NO SECTION-8-HOUSING IN THE AREA.

Should a person who went to college, earned an MBA and works for P & G and can afford to live at the Banks be required to live in the same complex as someone who does not work, plays loud music, and does not respect the community?

 
at 5:39 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

.
" Cheviot Sports Authority said...The A hole Pepper and his liberal cohorts are responsible for ruining Westwood and Price Hill. 4:41 PM, April 16, 2008"

We can see that the chevy-idiot is the typical wRong wingnut whacko spewing the elephant dung propaganda !

Section 8 is a FEDERAL PROGRAM, PERIOD !

Neither commissioner has any authority over Federal jurisdiction !

Additionally, Hon. Pepper has only been on the commission for one year !

Price Hill and Westwood have been blighted for decades !

Why didn't you pin this on hindlick, da da da whiner, chabot-head ?

What don't you understand ?

Attempting to deny anyone housing based on Section 8 is unlawful discriminatory !

PATHETIC 'family values' !

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2008 !

 
at 6:59 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I found myself single again with 2 young kids, I knew I had to do something to make sure that my kids didn't think being in a single-parent family was acceptable when not necessary. So I moved into the cheapest housing I could find close to "normal" families, I put them in Catholic schools and cleaned 6 toilets along with the rest of the rectory in exchange for the tuition I couldn't afford so that they would be swamped in images of "normal" families as much as possible to counter the example (how unavoidable it was) of their single-parent family. I wanted them immersed in what a traditional family was - because the company you keep WILL define you. I wanted them in better company.
At some point, I made my way up on the list for Section 8 housing and the assistance gave my broken family much needed stability that I am still grateful for and appreciate.

The bottom line is, it's about assimulation. If an area becomes satuarated with the down trodden and the behaviors that arise due to hopelessness, dire financial constraints, and often emotional instability - the behaviors grow and worsen. But if the "scattered sites" vision of Section 8 is realized and controlled, and EVERYONE shares in the burden to house those in need, it works.

Should there be Section 8 at the Banks? Yes, I think, all communities must bear the social burden and obligation to raise up the downtrodden and immerse them in live examples of what could be if one applies themselves, and sometimes that striving doesn't get you all, but gets you what you need and your pride.

Of course, there will be growing pains - incidents, adjustments, conflicts as people who have known nothing different adapt to a different world and it's people.

Years later, my neighbors were devasted that a black woman (apparently with mental health issues) with 4-5 kids rented the home next to the one I worked so hard to buy. There were issues. I counseled her best I could - but the other neighbors, under racist whispers and mild harassment - ran her out of the neighborhood.

Despite she and I having some fairly serious altercations ( even yelling matches at times), she came to me when moving out and said she was proud to have lived next to me.

I hope she survives out there.

Just so people know the facts. Most people who live in Section 8 today work (or go to school or have a strictly defined disability) - they have to, to get preferential treatment on the waiting list to get housing. (While there are many who remain in the system before that law was passed). Same criteria with getting welfare payments - they only have a short period of time to find a job.

Any way - I would hope that every community and every agency will work to de-saturate neighborhoods, spread the burden and achieve the goals of a responsible society.

For those taxpayers who paid my way when I needed it so badly -- thank you - I worked hard to make your investment in me worth it to YOU as well as to my children.

 
at 7:18 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chevy Jock Moron, Get your facts straight. The republicans who ran the Metropolitan Housing Authority for years are responsible for the section 8 housing on the West Side. Democrats Pepper & Dreihaus are responsible for halting any new expansions in section 8 housing in Western Hills.

 
at 7:26 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

So I'm going to buy a condo in the Banks for 500K and go down in the morning to see my Porsche without tires and rims. Don't think so.
Additionally, I've worked to attain a better lifestyle only to be panhandled by some uneducated, unproductive bum that thinks he's entitled and the government owes him everything.
This will be another Freedom Center white elephant; rich people don't want to live around section 8housing. I feel sorry for Westwood and Price hill.

 
at 7:32 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cheviot Sports Authority is the UselessIdiot. Notice how idiotboy dissapeared once the moronic jock showed up?

 
at 7:41 PM, April 16, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

Cheviot needs more section 8 housing. Right next door to the UselessIodiot's house.

 
at 8:04 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve Chabot destroyed the West Side when he brought federal funding in to tear down the West End and funded "the voucher system" for folks to come up the hill. Then Chabot voted to allow slumlords like Tom Denhart to opt-out of federal housing and a whole new round of vouchers went up the hill. The funny thing is that a-holes like Cheviot Sports Authority keeps on backing Chabot. It's like he thinks Chabot is as poor as his Buick prop, even though Chabot is banking 1.3 million dollars in his stock portfolio alone. West Side Idiots!

 
at 9:07 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve Chabot is the leading voice to reduce the expansion of the Section 8 program.

He has sponsored legislation to put in work requirements and time requirements for voucher recepients...

The liberal dems in Congress don't want to fix this problem.

 
at 9:19 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:04...Sounds like you fell asleep in civics class so try to pay attention here....Members of Congress (House or Senate) do not pick and choose who gets Section 8 and where it goes or how it's administered. That would be the local housing authority whose board is comprised of locals under the guidance of the State and City who decide that. Last I checked, Chabot and his family live in Westwood. And last I checked Chabot has voted to cut Section 8 funding repeatedly and bring work requirements and time limits to the program (which CMHA hasn't bothered to do on their own). If that sentiment was shared by the City and State politicians who've actually administered Section 8 over the years Price Hill and Westwood wouldn't be in this mess. And now, apparently, Driehaus wants more of it? Isn't that how we got in this mess?

 
at 9:21 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the most ridiculous idea & honestly, I'm somewhat shocked that Pete Witte would suggest such a concept.

Look at City West, for example. Nice, easy living dwellings close to Downtown & therefore for some, close to work. Although there are a scant few on vouchers living in this community who have helped set the standard for living there, CMHA opened up plenty of the housing to those who qualify for vouchers. As it was explained to me, "The drug dealers moved their families right in."

Even the elderly who live in their own section of the community do not feel safe.

Yeah, I can envision Mr. & Mrs. Gotbucks blowing a couple cool mils on a swanked Banks penthouse, only to have the drug dealers & baby mamas on the first 3 floors, living large on the public purse.

Not everyone on the dole "assimilates" to the community standards. The majority come tumbling in & set up their own standard of living, thereby compromising the entire neighborhood. To h#ll with that crap. We've got enough criminality in this town without adding high living criminals into the batch.

 
at 9:28 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was Chabot that funded the "voucher system"? What? C'mon! Hillary Clinton was under heavy fire in Bosnia too. I assume since you call westsiders "idiots" at the end of your post that you're not a westsider. Which makes sense because you clearly have no clue about what you're talking about.

 
at 9:33 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO MORE SECTION 8, DRIEHAUS. WE'VE HAD ENOUGH!

 
at 9:40 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Dem debate tonight is hilarious. Thought Hillary hit Obama when she was talking about his friend and former member of the radical leftist terrorist group Weather Underground that bombed the Pentagon during the Vietnam War. His friend! But then he turned the tables on her citing the fact that Bill Clinton pardoned two of these terrorists. They just make you proud to be an American!

 
at 9:55 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Section 8 housing dooms the project. Change the name from the Banks to the Bunks because you'll have 8 people living in one condo.
Just think how much confusion there will be on Father's day.
Stop now before more taxpayer money goes down the cesspool.

 
at 9:58 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chabot and a whole bunch of other Repugs will lose this fall. Then they should be tried and convicted for their criminal damaging of the American public. No way their ruining of the economy and destroying the Constitutuion is legal.

 
at 10:00 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll believe Witte when he puts section 8 housing in Amberley Village, Glendale and Indian Hill.
Until then, no thanks in my neighborhood. I've worked hard to avoid the slums.

 
at 10:11 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder which staffer Mark Dann is having a pajama party with tonight...I also wonder why other cities and states don't seem to have the same problems with Section 8??? Besides being a lousy program, could it be the way it's administered by the locals? By CMHA? City Council? The State of Ohio? They wouldn't turn a bad program into a neighborhood destroyer? Would they? Is bringing Section 8 to the Banks an example of this?

 
at 10:51 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like you perennial losers are using the same old tired script against Steve Chabot. It's never worked because folks know Steve and know that he was battling against the scourge of Section 8 housing when most of you weeenies were getting lunch money from your mommies before going off to school and getting your butts kicked at recess by the guys who liked girls.

You punks have got to do better than plagiarizing those old union bought ads that backfired on Little John Cranley. Twice.

 
at 10:52 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no problem with people getting help for housing. But what right do you have over me to live in such a swank place? Be happy to live in a modest house in a modest neighborhood. Beggars are becoming choosers?

 
at 10:58 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 6:59:

My tax dollars support Section 8 housing.

Explain to me how it is my "responsibility" to live next to Section 8 housing as well?

 
at 11:12 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Jim McNulty said...

Westwood is by no means destroyed. Come visit some time. We are living large. A few problems? Yes. Insurmountable? No way. We are systematically taking it back, inch by inch- step by step. Graffiti- almost non-existent here. We have police officers walking in the few rough spots now. We are taking out blighted buildings. We are fighting back against the slumlords, and stopping the proliferation of subsidized housing. We have the best Citizens On Patrol group in the city. Western Hills Plaza is undergoing a complete makeover. The Glenway Avenue corridor is hopping. All the while, kids are going to school, parents are involved in their activities. People are out walking in the neighborhood. We are enjoying the cherry blossoms now, and life is great in Westwood. The Westwood Historical Society Home tour is April 27, 1:00 p.m. to 6 p.m. starting at Mother of Mercy High School. The section 8 problem is tough- Westwood is tougher.

 
at 11:41 PM, April 16, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole darn thing is "subsidized".
County government has no business underwriting city development, now or ever. Three cheers for Pete Witte.

If it's good enough for Price Hill and Westwood it's good enough for the riverfront yuppie paradise. And by the way, its the liberal City Council people over the years who forced the Section 8 homes into the west side.

 
at 7:20 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 6:59,

Thank you for sharing your story. The problems neighborhoods experience aren't because there is section 8 housing, it is because massive amounts of section 8 housing are in already blighted neighborhoods. People experience rough times -- I did too. I've always paid the full amount of my rent, but I have lived in buildings with Section 8 neighbors with no problems. Section 8 helps those people through rough times without being homeless. I feel compelled to point out that most people on Section 8 are actually not single moms, but the elderly on limited social security incomes. Ideally, neighborhoods would have mixed income levels -- including micro-neighborhoods. Finally, whether or not privately owned housing is offered as Section 8 is up to the landlord.

 
at 7:35 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a variation on a race hustling scam, where various groups are disruptive and noisy about things like needing to accomodate in some way more (Black, Latino, Gay, Women, etc.) people, ususally with unreachable demands. The intention is never the stated one. The extortionist group actually wants to be given money to go away, which is generally cheaper than trying to meet their demands. That's what will happen here.

 
at 7:49 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous jfd said...

I'm confused about the Mayors outrage over a few section 8 units at the Banks; yet he supports the importation of large quantities of felons from the prison system into the proposed Citylink facility.

Not only do we need to eliminate the concentration of social services in one geographic area, which would preclude any kind of support for Citylink; but we also need to spread the saturation of subsidized housing units throughout the entire metro area. The Mayor appears to have a, "bought and paid for", flaw in his logic.

DON'T GIVE MONEY TO CROSSROADS/CITYLINK!

 
at 7:53 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like the young elephant dung chippers are following their misleadr XXX judge Tryintofoolyou !

PATHETIC 'HypocRites' !

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2008 !

 
at 8:14 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't David Pepper recently move to Anderson Township so he could get away from all the commoners? How much Section 8 is in his new neighborhood?

 
at 8:59 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is hilarious to see how the city and county people who sit in ivory towers and proclaim the grand liberal ideas of Section 8 being a good thing now succumbing to the NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) syndrome.

It is clear that Pete Witte is demonstrating that even those pushing Section 8 around the city, deep in their hearts, know that subsidized housing brings elements with it that destroy neighborhoods and economic development.

Witte is a genius for bringing this to the forefront in such a manner, and if Section 8 continues to destroy other Hamilton County neighborhoods, then it is only fitting that it should destroy the Banks.

Now that people know Section 8 can go in there and cannot be stopped, I bet many prospective tenants will find the Banks project unacceptable.

People want to live next to other people who care about their property. When it comes to subsidies, one bad apple truly does ruin the whole bunch.

 
at 9:26 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

With this Marc Dann scandal breaking, how long until L'il Hands Driehaus is called upon to return the dirty money he raised from his fundraising event with his friend, Marc Dann? Hopefully Driehaus will give whatever dirty money he raised off that event to a non-profit that helps women cope with sexual harassment in the workplace...

 
at 9:31 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what exactly went on at that Mark Dann-Steve Driehaus fundraiser? Pillow fights with staff?

 
at 9:44 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't it bother anyone that Don Driehaus is pushing for Section 8 at the banks and his brother supports that expansion? That's a complete conflict of interest. Throw both the bums out. Marc Dann's a lying pervert and the Driehaus family are crooks!

 
at 9:46 AM, April 17, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Section 8 to Pepper's front yard.
StCSA

 
at 10:06 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:53: where did 2:58 write in support of subsidized/Section 8 housing at The Banks?

Stupid? Don't be so reactionary.

Here's a thought: howzabout Witte and the other CMHAers work to REDUCE the amount of Section 8 housing in the County?

 
at 10:08 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Given the state of our economy and the fact that so many people are being forced into foreclosure, I think they should set aside more space at the Banks for section 8. Economic class warfare is what's happeneing across Cincinnati. Increasing diversity in every neighborhood would go a long way toward a much better understanding of what separates us all.

 
at 10:10 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the Auditor Pepper only owns his house in Mt Adams in his name.

How many Section 8ers in Mt Adams anyway?

 
at 10:40 AM, April 17, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

more section 8 to MT Adams.

 
at 11:09 AM, April 17, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

More Section 8 to Cheviot!!!! It's already a trashy neighborhood, so nobody will notice the difference.

 
at 11:11 AM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

OTR has over 100 social services that server adult male fellony convicted excons AKA "homeless" located within 3 city blocks. OTR serves the needy for the Indiana, Kentucky and Ohio region. Our fealess Mayor Mark Mallory who no longer resides in the West End is more than willing to go along with his Democratic party chair Tim Burke, lawyer for Citylink to push the largest social service center in the country to be located in the West End 1/2 block from findlay market in OTR. 2 blocks from this location is the VOA building which boastfully houses the largest collection of sex offenders and sexual preditors in the State. OTR, the West End, Price Hill, Westwood, Northside are sick and tired of being the dumping grounds for this activity.

 
at 12:13 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Johnson said...

God forbid that Banks elitists should have to live near poor people! This idea that poor people aren't good neighbors, that they need to be separated and hidden away into their own neighborhoods is reprehensible. Not only would it be good for low income people to share in the benefits of The Banks, but it would be good for all Banks residents (and Cincinnati residents). When we all learn to live together, there are far fewer tensions. Togetherness, not separation, is the best policy when it comes to housing.

 
at 12:24 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who does Mayor Zero think he is? On the one hand he can promote so called inclusiveness where Banks construction jobs are set aside for people based on their skin color and now he is rejecting set asides for housing that black folks will surely use. Oh the humanity of it all.

 
at 3:27 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight. Mayor Zippy has his shorts all bunched up about the suggestion of CMHA-Section 8 housing at the Banks. But, he doesn't have any problems with the homeless supercenter, AKA CityLink, taking over a corner in the West End, right next door to a playground, I might add, that will bunk felons of all criminality & all regions (NoKy closed down their homeless flophouses).

As with everything else, Mayor Zippy hasn't explained his reasoning & logic. Could it be a matter of saving face & backside on a deal that was less than, ah, above-board? Or is the payout much more lucrative?

Inquiring minds would like an answer.

 
at 3:43 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnson is rowing with one oar. Do you think I'm going to park my Mercedes next to junk cars? Do you think I'll spend 300 thousand to watch people walk around with their pants down to the knees? How about screaming, undisciplined kids? My answer is no and I won't miss the wealth redistribution experiment.

 
at 3:55 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

In some form or fashion ALL of you are morons. Why does Section 8 have to be dirty? I am on Section 8 and I am respectable and clean. Don't I deserve to live somewhere nice? Granted there are some that are filthy but that is where you weed out the good from the bad. The good should not be made to suffer, because of the rest of these rough necks. I am shocked and appalled at Dwight Mallory's response. Come on Dwight you know you didn't grow up with a silver spoon in your mouth. You should be ashamed.

 
at 3:58 PM, April 17, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

The only Mercedes that wingnut wacko 3:43 has ever driven are the ones that he parks at his job as a valet parking attendant.

This is the same guy who posted the same thing yesterday, except it was a Porsche that time. Keep dreaming Wingnut.

AB CDE

 
at 4:10 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

at 11:12 PM, April 16, 2008 Jim McNulty said...
Westwood is by no means destroyed. Come visit some time. We are living large. A few problems? Yes. Insurmountable? No way. We are systematically taking it back, inch by inch- step by step. Graffiti- almost non-existent here. We have police officers walking in the few rough spots now. We are taking out blighted buildings. We are fighting back against the slumlords, and stopping the proliferation of subsidized housing. We have the best Citizens On Patrol group in the city. Western Hills Plaza is undergoing a complete makeover. The Glenway Avenue corridor is hopping. All the while, kids are going to school, parents are involved in their activities. People are out walking in the neighborhood. We are enjoying the cherry blossoms now, and life is great in Westwood. The Westwood Historical Society Home tour is April 27, 1:00 p.m. to 6 p.m. starting at Mother of Mercy High School. The section 8 problem is tough- Westwood is tougher.

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Jim, I feel for the people of Westwood.

They should not have to put up with the amount of Section 8 housing. You have to know that certain areas HAVE been destroyed becasue of Section 8 housing.

When a parish such as St. Catherine, has to move it's annual festival to another site you have to know something is wrong.

I'm no spring chicken.

I recall St. Alousis Orphanage had a festival - the event was held in june - from the 1830s (that is right the 1830s) until 1972. This is in the Bond Hill area. In the final years there were incidents that led to the end of the tradition. Certain people caused fights, robberies, shoving of patrons, etc. There were also a few purse snatchings near the grounds.

It's sad.

 
at 4:12 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why shouldn't section 8 be at Banks. We have it running rampant throughout the entire west side of Cincinnati and Hamilton County. Let's spread it out all over the place.

 
at 4:18 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey idiot. I collect cars. They have to be expensive and fast. Don't you wished you would have worked your tail off to afford the fun? Get a life.

 
at 4:23 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI - if I see a nice mercedes parked in the parking lot I love parking my piece of junk as close as possible. It makes my heart warm when rich people get nervous about stupid stuff. Oopps, sorry about that did I offend anyone. GOOD because the greed and priorities expressed on this blog make me sick of rich greedy people. Learn to live together or learn to fight hard to protect your precious objects.

 
at 4:30 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:23 I saw your car; it is junk.

 
at 4:34 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 4:23
How many times do you come out to your car and find your tires flat? I'm not the car guy, but that's what I'd do if you crowded my "baby".

 
at 5:25 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:43/4:18: The only cars that you collect are Hot Wheels. You need to leave your parents basement more often.

 
at 5:28 PM, April 17, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

Latest additions to republican offenders:

April 14, 2008

Former
Republican Rep.
from Alaska, Vic
Kohring, lost his
appeal for a
re-trail.

He was convicted of bribery and extortion. Even
though the prosecution played damning FBI
surveillance footage, Kohring chose not to take the
stand in his own defense. Arguments that a
previous antagonistic relationship with the judge in
his case were dismissed and sentencing has been
set for May 8th.

______________________

April 14, 2008

State Rep. Charged With DWI
A North Carolina state representative was involved in vehicle accident and charged with a DWI in Moore County.

Authorities say Rep. Joe Boylan, R-Pinehurst, was driving his Ford truck when he crossed the center line, drove off the left side of the road before hitting a tree down a ditch.

___________________________________

April 11, 2008

Long time Republican
donor and supporter,
developer from Kirkwood,
MO, Matt Burghoff was
indicted for bank fraud
and money laundering.
Burghoff could face 30
years in prison.

____________________

April 9, 2008

After Rape Charges,
Investigators find
Hundreds of Male
Prostitutes Secretly Video
Taped at County
Commissioners Home

Cumberland County (PA) Commissioner,
Republican Bruce Barclay has been accused of
multiple counts of rape which were quickly refuted
as Barclay video taped all of his encounters with
male prostitutes, including the alleged rape.
Barclay’s favorite gigolo web site was
harrisburgfratboys.com.

______________________

http://www.republicanoffenders.com/

Four, COUNT 'EM, FOUR pages of GOP Pedophiles!

http://www.republicanoffenders.com/Pedophiles.html

You just can't make this stuff up folks!

 
at 5:28 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad to see the many posts that also see the outrageous hypocracy of Mator Zero's remarks.
He's all for dumping CityLink on the West End to preserve Dale's and Burke's backroom CityStink deal.
But he wants to keep the Banks pristine and pure from the unwashed section 8 crew.
I thought he wanted the best for the poor.
He actually wants them to be in a perpetual West End Ghetto.
The Mallory Plantation mentality has screwed the West End for more than 40 years.

 
at 6:13 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

CLARITY ON STEVE CHABOT:

The earlier poster is correct regarding Chabot, but not on west siders, who are not idiots.

Steve Chabot voted with the Republican-run Congress to allocate funding to tear down the west end and to bolster section 8 vouchers. Many public housing recipients took their vouchers to the west side. Chabot and the Republican-run congress
also "deregulated" public housing, opening up the doors for the "we buy ugly houses" predators and allowing for the Tom Denhart's to opt-out of the federal program. This resulted in many Over-the-Rhine residents taking vouchers to the west side too.

Chabot voted for all of this happen in the late 1990's. It was a marriage of the Republican-run Congress and the Clinton Administration.

You Chabot defenders are simply wrong or lying.

If you have a problem with Section 8 on the west side, you can take it up with Chabot. Just don't let him get away with pointing out meaningless votes. Ask him about his votes in the 1990's that gave you the results you see now.

IN SUMMARY:

Chabot = Tear down the west end, give predatory "we buy ugy houses" businesses some options and let everyone leave OTR

How would west siders know any of this?

 
at 6:48 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

we didn't put a casino down on the river because it would draw drugs, thugs, and prostitutes...what is this section 8 going to do for the beautiful Banks. Maybe the mighty Ohio will swallow up the whole area.

 
at 8:54 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:23 You are the reason sec.8 won't work on the Banks. You don't respect peoples' property and probably not authority.
You would damage an expensive car because you drive a beater.
If you have a lawn, you probably don't mow it, but you'll toss litter out on the guy's yard that takes time and effort to manicure it.
You ruin things under the guise of punishing the rich, but you really have no values.
I feel sorry for you, but I fear your just a jealous individual without proper parental training when you were young.

 
at 8:55 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Republican Party needs to change their name to something more appropriate. Here's my nomination:

http://tinyurl.com/emtgw

 
at 10:16 PM, April 17, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

When I see that some self-important cheesed*ck in an overpriced car has taken up two parking spaces, so that nobody can park next to their precious car, I always key that car.

We don't have to worry about the Matchbox Mercedes guy, because his mommy won't let hm drive her car anymore.

 
at 11:51 PM, April 17, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:13 (a.k.a. Don Driehaus)...It continues to be CMHA who is to blame for the way it is running the Section 8 voucher program. Nowhere else in the country is this lousy program run any worse. And you're at it again in the Banks. Stop.

 
at 12:23 AM, April 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who commented on "my story" - the reason I believe we have to not only let them live next door in addition to funding their housing is because 1) it has been proven that segregating them together only breeds and compounds the problems that are had and 2) the goal of assimmulation of any group depends on the amount of personal contact they have with others whose values are higher and exemplify success.

I know if I were to have lived in a housing project I probably would have been suckered into that pervasive, hand-out, dependency just like those who do live there.

By being around good, hard-working people - they raised my expectations and hope for my own success.

Without the human counterpart - the money is a futile investment. We all need to share in the burden in every neighborhood -- EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.

By the way, naysayers, "rent control in New York City has proven that diverse living situations paid on a sliding scale actually works. Those neighborhoods that are segregated have the same problem we have on the west side and down town.

It must be controlled. There is a legal means to do so - but , no matter who I write about the statute to control over-saturation - none respond.

 
at 8:28 AM, April 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:13 That makes sense more than anything else I have heard. How many more secrets does Steve Chabot have?

 
at 9:59 AM, April 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Idiot
You would knowingly damage another person's property; you truly are an idiot.
I'm glad you're in Cheviot and not my neighbor. You have no respect for anything including yourself. I pity you.

 
at 10:06 AM, April 18, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

First of all let me say how flattered I am that there is at least one moron out there who my posts seem to annoy so much.

Having said that: Of course allowing Section 8 Housing at the Banks would destroy it. That is the beauty of Pete Witte's plan. Westwood and Price Hill have been destroyed by this same program. Now it is payback time. If nothing else is accomplished at least Mr Witte has finally brought light to the fact that Section 8 Housing can not successfully be integrated into neighborhoods where people earn their own way.
St CSA

 
at 10:52 AM, April 18, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cheviot Authority
There are hundreds of guys on the UC blog that you annoy. You even have the Cheviot Sports Idiot that tries to copy you; that's the most sincere form of flattery.

 
at 1:02 AM, April 19, 2008 Anonymous Award-winning CincyJeff said...

Why are Pepper and Mallory against Section 8 housing in the people's Banks project? They love Section 8 housing. They think it does good. They think it does no harm to the communities it is prevalent in.

It comes off to me as classist and elitist for people who otherwise support Section 8 housing to oppose including it in the people's Banks. I thought Democrats looked out for the lesser fortunate?

 
at 7:51 PM, April 19, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

In some form or fashion ALL of you are morons. Why does Section 8 have to be dirty?

Anon 4/17, 3:55, you've got a lot of nerve calling commenters on this topic morons. And don't ever forget this - the Section 8 housing you're bunking in is a GIFT from the taxpayers. That's right. A gift from the generosity of taxpayers. You have an obligation to them to keep your crib clean & follow the HUD rules to the letter. BTW, the "morons" as you have so freely termed us are paying your freight so you have a roof over your head.

Anon, it's now your turn to thank all the morons. Deserving my sore toenail. Get up & work for what you think you deserve. That's why there's so many problems with Section 8. Everyone with their hands in the public largesse thinks they deserve something, everything.

 
at 8:59 AM, April 20, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't we all just get along!! God Bless America.

 
at 3:30 PM, April 20, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:59 You're citing Rodney King? Now there's a great American!

 
at 6:22 PM, April 20, 2008 Anonymous CincyCapell said...

When has Jeff Capell ever 'won' any award?

Capell filed three suits; they lost one, settled for $10,000 in another (which went to Finney for his fees and expenses) and 'settled' for the 'right' to be allowed to send letters to county employees, which they could have done without a 'settlement'.

These clowns can't win in the court room, and they know it. They were given these lowball 'settlements' to go away, because the county didn't want to waste the money fighting them in court. These guys are no different than a Whiplash Willy and his ambulance chasing shyster lawyer, who sue Krogers after an alleged slip and fall in one of their stores.

Krogers throws a token amount at Whiplash Willy to go away, because it costs more to go to court than to settle for a small amount.

Jeff Capell = Whiplash Willy
Finney The Fanny = The Shyster

 
at 9:55 PM, April 20, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ithink JEFF CAPELL won a blogging award

 
at 12:11 PM, April 21, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes he did win an award, from Cheetos. He is their #1 customer, eatin bag after bag full of them, while blogging from his mommy's basement day and night.

Get a life pal.

 
at 1:07 PM, April 21, 2008 Anonymous Greg said...

Does anyone in Cincinnati EVER look across the river at Covington, Newport, Bellevue, and, increasingly, Dayton? Here's a clue: high value-added development completed, in progress, and more in the planning stage. Although it has trailed off to some minor degree recently, the weekend and holiday traffic jams on the '471 south lanes exiting in Kentucky will once again have no place to go but back to permanently sustained gridlock as P&G, Reds and Bengals bucks flow into the Condos, townhomes, restaurants, and associated entertainment/lifestyle attactions separated by a wide river from the narrow minds in Cincinnati. This, as city council and county commission perennially rearrange the deckchairs and congratulate themselves on their insular progress. Betcha those public masters can be found at Mitchells or Chart House in the evening - any evening!

 
at 1:29 PM, April 21, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greg,

Give us all a break on the NKY tripe. What is going on there that is so 'spectacular'?

*Covington's riverfront is a complete joke, they had to tow the Covington Landing away to be scrapped.

*The Levy struggles, the retailers can't make their rent, there's tons of empty retail space, Claddaugh had declared bankruptcy. Ask the management how much back rent the tenants owe the place. Only a few bars really do well at the Levy. The restaurants, for the most part struggle to stay open.

*The Aquarium struggles all winter.

*Mainstrausse is a bust, with 3 shabby bars filled with kids and several redneck beer mills.

Am I missing something? I am sick and tired of the Downtown haters throwing NKY as some kind of entertainment and development 'miracle', when it isn't. There is more development happening in Downtown than there is in NKY, and Downtown is packed with people like it hasn't been in 30 years.

If you hate Cincinnati then move, but spare is your trolling and the NKY BS.

 
at 2:34 PM, April 21, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Gee, I thought downtown Cincinnati closed at 6:30PM.
St CSA

 
at 2:57 PM, April 21, 2008 Anonymous Greg said...

Thanks for the polemic irrevelencies. Had your recent reading comprehension class properly prepared you for depth of thought to read the post from me - Greg - you would have understood the references to the residential aspects of the developing areas. In this you failed. These businesses, especially in the Levee and surroundings, are the beneficiaries of this high-end housing and not a herd of section 8 dependents.
Look, I'll save for you a minimum amount of thought you can - from your reply post - barely afford: time is on the side of NKy because Cincinnati keeps shooting off its mouth into its oversized footprint of incompetency. Check back in five years as the Banks project is still in stunted development and more people and businesses abandon the schizophrenia of Cincinnati's confusion and spend their investments across the river.
Check back in five years for a disappointing - yet thoroughly precdictable - update.

 
at 3:42 PM, April 21, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are correct CSA. It's a shame that the CSI tries to mimic you. Sorry he lives in Cheviot. Maybe he'll move to the Banks?

 
at 4:27 PM, April 21, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

The NKY Riverfront areas has not grown appreciably, in terms of housing either. Why don't you truy backing up your big tyalk with some actual facts Greg? Is it because you can't? Of course you can't.

Residential development in Downtown Cincinnati is growing at a rate unseen since before WWII. Sales of condos, as well as apartment occupancy rates, are outgrowing the rest of the region.

The NKY Riverfront is not growing as fast. Not by a long shot.

And the Levy is half empty, with tenants who can't pay their rent and are in bamkruptcy.

Again, please feel free to leave town with the rest of the Cincinnati haters.

And if you don't actually live in the City of Cincinnati, then you aren't entitled to a voice on what happens here. Stay on NKY, you hick.

 
at 8:11 PM, April 21, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

CSI should remember that name calling is the sign of a pea brain.
aren't you the guy that keys the nice cars?

 
at 10:23 PM, April 21, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

Oh, good come-back WWWW.

Don't worry, you don't have a 'nice' car.

Matchbox's don't count as 'nice' cars.

St CSI

 
at 10:58 AM, April 22, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

4W here. If CSI moves to the banks, he'll be like a rabid dog in a meat shop; all those pretty cars to damage just for being so jealous of achievers.
Drive your beater and enjoy!

 
at 1:31 PM, April 22, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

WWWW, get out of your Mother's basement, wipe the Cheeto dust off of your fingers and get a grip. You are not rich. You will never be rich. You are a sad, sad, lonely little man who blogs his life away.

 
at 7:03 PM, April 22, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

VOTE DEMOCRAT IN 2008 my butt. That will only mean wild spending of our money for more Socialistic issues. We are loosing our Rights day by day and they want more Government to control our lives. Wake up. It can't be too far off that the "silent majority" is going to revolt and demand they adhere to the Constitution and get this whole Country back on the right course.

 
at 7:42 PM, April 22, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

4W again. Now that I find out you're a woman, I wonder why your avitar isn't a woman with her head up her rump.
You've been a lying idiot trying to copy CSA.
IF St. Martin knocks at your door, tell him you're sorry for damaging all those nice cars.
Rich guys don't think much of foul mouthed women. You're disgusting!

 
at 12:19 AM, April 23, 2008 Blogger Cheviot Sports Idiot said...

Aw, it sounds like the Wannabe Wealthy Wacko Wingnut has his panties in a bunch again. I guess that he has a permanent cheetos stain on his fingers, and couldn't wash it off when he came upstairs from his mommy's basement.

This country is on the wrong course, thanks to 8 years of republican mismanagement and corruption. We need nationalised health care now, and every poll shows that the vast majority of Americans agree. Ditto with reproductive freedom. A free college education at public universities as well.

You and your vocal minority are going to be hating life over the next decade WWWW. Better go ahead and leave now.

Screw St Martin, I'm not a superstitious dupe who believes in fairy tales and boogeymen. How about YOU come knocking on my door WWWW? You can drive one of your 'fancy' 'expensive' cars over from your 'plant'. I promise not to key your car. We can have a little 'talk' and see who the 'woman' is. Can you find your way out of your Mommy's basement? I know that it's been along time since you have been outside, but don't worry, you can do it.

 
at 1:32 PM, April 23, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

wingnut wass punked. He's a bey-otch.

 
at 9:07 PM, April 23, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:32 This is America. Can't you speak English? Who's Wingnut and what's your point?

 
at 1:10 AM, April 24, 2008 Anonymous CincyCapell said...

9:07,

You are the wingnut, Mr. Wingnut to be exact. Please allow me to translate what 1:32 wrote for your benefit.

Punked, from the Urban Dictionary:

1. A way to describe someone ripping you off,tricking you, teasing you. Examples:

"I heard that boy gon' get jumped for punkin that guy out."

"HAHAHAHA, I punked both of you."

2. When you make fun of someone so bad they have nothing else to say back. Examples:

"Zack W: What you doin?
Matt F: Your mom.
Zack W: ..."

3. A) Humiliated completely, as in disrespected. See clowned.
B) Bluffed out of a pot in poker.
C) A big upset in a fight.

Punked in verbial form: "To make a punk out of someone."

In plain simple English, CSI cleaned your clock. He made you look (even more) foolish (than you already make yourself look).

Maybe this will help further clarify 1:32's statement:

http://tinyurl.com/6pu27q

Bon appetite!

 
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