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Tuesday, March 11, 2008

Bill would ban discrimination against gays

UPDATED, 1:10 p.m.: Here's a little AP story on it:


COLUMBUS, Ohio – A bipartisan group of state lawmakers says a bill prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation has its best chance of passage this year.


A small but growing coalition of legislators say they intend to lobby strongly for a law that would add gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender individuals to those protected from discrimination in hiring, credit and housing.


Rep. Dan Stewart, a Columbus Democrat, and Sen. Dale Miller, a Cleveland Democrat, said Tuesday that the issue affects Ohio’s economy. Stewart says people across the country know they can be fired in Ohio for being gay and so don’t move to the state.


Twenty-one states have similar discrimination protections in place.

Here's the original press release:

New Anti-Discrimination Legislation to be Unveiled

COLUMBUS – State Representatives Jon Peterson (R-Delaware) and Dan Stewart (D-Columbus) will be joined by State Senator Dale Miller (D-Columbus) on Tuesday, March 11 to unveil new legislation to fight discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

Current Ohio law does not ban discrimination in housing, employment or public accommodations (such as restaurants) based on sexual orientation or gender identity. This bill would change that legal flaw to protect the rights of people of all backgrounds.

What: News Conference

When: Tuesday, March 11, 10:30 a.m.

Where: Ladies Gallery
Ohio Statehouse

Who: State Representative Jon Peterson
State Representative Dan Stewart
State Senator Dale Miller
Lynne Bowman, Equality Ohio Executive Director
Jimmie Beall, who lost school job when discovered she was a lesbian

Why: To introduce legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity


67 Comments:

at 9:32 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another step in the wrong direction for America.

 
at 9:44 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

thats my generation, all the gays come out of the closet, all the smokers are forced in.

i dont believe this bill to be necessary, i've NEVER heard of such a discrimination problem.

 
at 10:08 AM, March 11, 2008 Blogger jfrizn said...

It's hard to understand when one has never been in that postiton before, but something like this is NEEDED in Ohio. Unless, of course, we want to be just as backwards as our friends in the middle east, subjugating people who are different from us......

 
at 10:08 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong Carl... There ARE NOW laws that ban discrimination on housing, employment, etc. Some groups want special, additional "help".

 
at 10:12 AM, March 11, 2008 Blogger Quim said...

and, what ?
You are on your own if you are oriented towards beastiality or necrophilia ?
We need to quit legislating sex.

 
at 10:18 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this really what we are paying these people to do ? We don't have any other problems in Ohio to focus on ? What a joke...

 
at 10:19 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a gay smoker.I HAVE experienced such discrimination, so my closet gets pretty smoky.

 
at 10:21 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do people mean there is NO PROBLEM !??!?!
Tax paying, GOOD PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY because of such discrimination.. just because they are GAY !!! If the problem does not affect you, it's not a problem then ?? Try looking through someone else's perspective and let's be open minded here.. HATE CRIMES ARE ALL OVER AMERICA !! If they were targeting blacks, hispanics or even, heaven forbid, kids, there would be IMMEDIATE change in legislation ! IT"S NOT RIGHT FOR KIDS TO BULLY ONE ANOTHER, WHY SHOULD WE LET IMMATURE ADULTS DO THE SAME THING WITH DEADLY CONSEQUINCES... TO THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE PREVIOUS COMMENT.. TRY GOOGLING "GAY HATE CRIMES" AND CONSIDER WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN !!

 
at 10:22 AM, March 11, 2008 Blogger DoAn said...

Perhaps you have never heard of such a discrimination issue, because you have never been a victim of it. Just because you haven't personally experienced it, doesn't mean it is legitimate.

I know of many people who have experienced such discrimination, often based on assumptions (and they were not even gay). It is time we start valuing people for people and stop delineating the line for where some people have basic rights and others don't.

This bill is long overdue!

 
at 10:23 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

THAT IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS BLOG I HAVE EVER READ !! WE NEED PROTECTION FOR EVERYONE ! GAYS ARE TAXPAYERS TOO!! ! ! TRY LOOKING UP HATE CRIMES ON GAYS AND TELL ME YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH DISCRIMINATION !!!!

 
at 10:23 AM, March 11, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

"Where: Ladies Gallery
Ohio Statehouse

Why: To introduce legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity"


Start with your own House!!!!!!

Lol,LOl,Lol

BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
at 10:27 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of the comments here just make me laugh. This is needed in Ohio for certain. The comments posted here remind me of exactly why.

 
at 10:28 AM, March 11, 2008 Blogger jetty said...

Typical comments from the conservative base. You don't hear about these things because you don't listen. The problem with neo-cons is they can't walk in anyone else's shoes for a moment but expect everyone to walk in theirs. Having a gay family member I understand some of the problems facing gays in this state. It's about time to put an end to these legalized hate crimes against American Citizens

 
at 10:29 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

America the uneducated...I guess that is the right direction.

Your ignorance and homophobic attitude is EXACTLY why this bill is important. If you have NEVER heard of such a discrimination then you better open you eyes and get informed...which I doubt you will do because it sounds like you are content being in the dark and smoking your smelly cancer sticks. Shame on you, what an embarassment you are to the human race.

 
at 10:33 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what happens now.. if an employee is incompetent and causes problems in the workplace by their incompetence, but they happen to be gay, they cannot be fired?

Yea we've seen this before.

 
at 10:35 AM, March 11, 2008 Blogger Jeff said...

Many of you against this legislation are missing the point. How sad is it that in our society we have a NEED to pass legislation to ensure the rights of individuals that should be already be protected--not through legislation, but from common human decency. I'm still waiting for the day that Cincinnati decides to get in step with the rest of the world and embraces such progressive policies. Comparing this to smoking legislation is absurd--when was the last time someone's health was affected by a gay co-worker?

 
at 10:39 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tell Matthew Sheppard's Mother that gays do not need protection.
(From wikipedia)
******
Shortly after midnight on October 7, 1998, 21-year-old Shepard met McKinney and Henderson in a bar. McKinney and Henderson posed as gay men and offered Shepard a ride in their car.[3] Subsequently, Shepard was robbed, pistol whipped, tortured, tied to a fence in a remote, rural area, and left to die. McKinney and Henderson also found out his address and intended to burglarize his home. Still tied to the fence, Shepard was discovered eighteen hours later by a cyclist, who at first thought that Shepard was a scarecrow. Shepard was still alive, but in a coma, at the time of discovery.

Shepard suffered a fracture from the back of his head to the front of his right ear. He had severe brain stem damage, which affected his body's ability to regulate heart rate, body temperature and other vital signs. There were also about a dozen small lacerations around his head, face and neck. His injuries were deemed too severe for doctors to operate. Shepard never regained consciousness and remained on full life support. As he lay in intensive care, candlelight vigils were held by the people of Laramie.[4]

*****

He was beaten and tourtured and killed for NO other reason than being gay. Don't tell us it does not happen. I pay taxes, I own a home, I have a job that I am proud of and I am a good member of society. Do not let this happen to me or someone you love that you may not know is gay. If you are one of the evil people who say he deserved it, then that is the perfect example of why this is so important. Ignorance breeds hate.

 
at 10:45 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Diversity, Tolerance, Acceptance, Protection for discrimination? It sounds like a no-brainer to me. I bet many republicans and religious fanatics will go nuts over this. Gay people deserve the exact same protections and rights as everyone else. This is 2008 - time to get with the program and end the hate.

 
at 10:52 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

People who are not in this postion have no idea that discrimination does exsist. it is sad that people think it does not.

 
at 10:54 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Went to catholic School. Some preist and lay teachers were gay. Even though most of us at 14-15 were niave about sex we all somehow new these guys were not all there. No one taught me to dislike them, I just did. They were feminin and/or oddly interested in the personnal lives of students. Ya just knew! Made me feel creepy! The government shouldn't discriminate but I will keep my constitutional right of free association and choose to personnally discriminate. Not the life/world I'm interested in. Legislators, this is not the 60 and racially based civil rights. Few will look back foundly and say I'm so proud I lived thru the era when state rep so an so passed the gay right bill! Not much glory will come to you though me thinks you think there is. Why can there not be a place where Hetro's are welcome? Gays have most cities in the country wrapped up already. Do you have to run all of them?

 
at 11:09 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Assaults on gays are currently covered by criminal assault laws just fine, thank you. No need for special punishments.

"GOOD PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY" - LOL! That's hysterical!

 
at 11:23 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anti-Discrimination legislation was originally designed to protect the basic fundamental and human rights of individuals or groups who bear an obvious distinction by aestethic traits and culture. Skin color, creed, gender, and physical or mental disabilities are all blatantly obvious to the employer, landlord, business, etc. Gay, although I believe in many cases it is genetic but some by CHOICE, is in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. Sex is a protected class, sexual preference is not and should not be. Case & point: An employer doesn't like someone because they are overweight, therefore they are not offered the job. The cute blonde brickhouse who is less qualified gets it instead. Unless that employer STATES a basis of discrimination, there is no merit to a case without proof. You don't think fat people are discriminated against more than gays? Reality check. We have taken diversity to a disgusting level in this country and mistakenly equated it to something that it isn't. Nobody has a backbone, everybody is Oprahfied and everybody gets a trophy just for showing up. If you don't, that's discrimination. That's okay though, we can tie up the courts and tax dollars fighting perception (in some cases not all I am not denying there is discrimination sometimes)while real criminals go free and some of those who really have been violated wait for their day in court. Legislation would be better served making sure I don't have to wair for a translator for the guy in front of me at the license bureau so I can take care of my legal business more efficiently.

 
at 11:24 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

You went to "catholic School"? No way! What? For one day? The Catholic schools I attended wouldn't allow a student with such horrendous grammar to leave the school ALIVE!

 
at 11:32 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He was beaten and tourtured and killed for NO other reason than being gay. Don't tell us it does not happen."

Children are raped, beaten, murdered and abused daily for no reason at all. Maybe they should have less protection than any other class of people...

 
at 11:52 AM, March 11, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

"He was beaten and tourtured and killed for NO other reason than being gay. Don't tell us it does not happen."

Danny Pearl had his head sawed off by Islamists because he was a Jew.

Our Govenor holds a "peace confrence" in the State Capital rotundra last fall and held hands with the throat-cutter appologists.

WHERE WAS THE PINK MAFIA THEN??
HELLO...WANT ME TO POST SOME VIDEOS FROM IRAN..HANGING GAYS???

 
at 11:57 AM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm still waiting for the day that Cincinnati decides to get in step with the rest of the world and embraces such progressive policies."

You'll be waiting a long time. Maybe your grandkids will be able to speak about a new Cincinnati.

 
at 12:01 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don't think we need speical rights for GLBT folks? When was the last time that someone could just fire you no questions asked if they found out you were gay? Lose your housing at the drop of a hat? Refused service, asked to leave an establisment? This is protection that is long overdue.

 
at 12:03 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody said that it doesn't happen. Beating someone up b/c of their sexual orientation is assault and battery. You mean we do not already have laws that deal with this? Hmmm...

 
at 12:06 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is very clear to me that people in this area of the world (Cincinnati/Ohio) are very hateful and uneducated. Reading the comments under this article reinforce that observation. This kind of ignorance and evil mindedness is one of the reasons at the top of my list for leaving this city. I have been saving up to get as far away as possible. I don't want my family/children to be exposed to such backwards hate. Hating someone just because they have chosen to live their life differently from us. This is, to me, insane. My children express that as well, but I don't want them to be taught in schools to be an evil person. The redneck reputation of this part of the country in well deserved in regard to this topic. Grow up people and get over it. The gays don't care about you. Why do you obsess about them?

 
at 12:11 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Case & point: An employer doesn't like someone because they are overweight, therefore they are not offered the job. The cute blonde brickhouse who is less qualified gets it instead. Unless that employer STATES a basis of discrimination, there is no merit to a case without proof."

If only that was the way it went....more often what happens is someone is with a company for many years and then they are outed or it is discovered they are gay. They are then terminated. Which is a much different scenerio than what you implied.

Karma is a Bit$h....you treat people with no compassion and it will come back and bite you one day..

 
at 12:14 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

CINCINNATI IS SUCH A CLOSED MINDED COMMUNITY. GIVE IT UP. STOP BEING AFRAID OF PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

 
at 12:25 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just two small points on the subject...
1. This bill protects all people, straight and gay and those who identify as female, male, or indifferent. How would you feel if your gay boss fired you because you were straight, or if a lesbian landlord denied your apartment application because you look like a woman? Enough said...
2. And this is not a question of choice (when did you choose to be straight?), or special rights (since when are civil rights special?). There are certain physical situations (being overweight, etc) in which medical corrections can be made, and if not it would fall under ADA (legal protections).

This legislation is needed because discrimination happens...period.

 
at 12:27 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a Christian. I believe the bible is true. The bible calls homosexuality a sinful choice. I believe discrimination is bad. However, it does not belong in the legal list of race, gender,.....

 
at 12:29 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

You shouldn't need a body count to realize that murder is wrong.

How many people suffer anti-gay discrimination is irrelevant; class- and status-based discrimination is immoral and unproductive.

Here's my concern: this bill is probably being trotted out now because Dems are confident about their turnout this November and the lack thereof for Reps. This is a mistake.

This type of action always galvanizes Christianists and anti-gay bigots and will only boost Rep turnout and in turn McCain's chances.

Better to wait until/if a Dem is elected President and then introduce the bill so s/he can use the bully pulpit to advocate for equality (I didn't realize freedom from persecution was considered a "special" right- go figure).

 
at 12:34 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

If only we lived in a society where laws like these are NOT needed... However, some of the comments only demonstrate the fact that these protections still need to be in place. Until society learns to treat all human beings with respect and dignity, I say kudos to those in congress pushing this through. To those who feel this isn't needed and prefer to utilize "personal discrimination," I hope you are never discriminated against for some inane reason.

 
at 12:38 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Judging from the responses on this board - not to mention how millions of taxpayer dollars were wasted writing discrimination into the Ohio Constitution... I'm thinking we need this legislation. We need it badly.

Ohio the BIGOTRY I mean Buckeye State. To all who think that gays are somehow evil / wrong / immoral / or that being gay is a choice... ...you're a bunch of BIGOTS and/or just plain ignorant.

It's 2008 people... The information is out there. You can look up the definition of BIGOTRY in an online dictionary and you can research CREDIBLE SOURCES as to issues referring to gay people (and no "Focus on the Family" and/or other religious wacko groups are not considered credible sources on anything let alone gays).

Cling to your superstitions and bigotry if you must... But Ohio's economy needs all the help it can get and gay bashing BIGOTS are just making it worse for everyone.

 
at 12:46 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Better idea: why not a law telling who we CAN discriminate against?

 
at 12:52 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your sexual preference is personal and a choice and no one should receive special treatment because of their sexual preference. The law should be equal for all. When gay/lesbians are given special treatment, everyone should recieve the same. The law protects them through gender, race, color, national origin/ancestry, age, disability and retalition. What has this world come to when sexuality is now discriminatory.

 
at 12:57 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last time I looked, all of the mean things you say happen to homosexuals are pretty much illegal already. This type of legislation is simply to enact "thought crimes", and make motivation more important than action. The basic concept of American laws is supposed to be equality before the law. It is not equality before the law if the penalties are more severe if an illegal act was commited simply because an individual was (gay, black, female, old, etc.) This type of legislation automatically devalues the lives of those who are NOT in the "protected class", and bogs the court system down while we debate intent. If someone commits murder, it is enough to convict someone of murder. It is unnecessary and pointless to convict someone of murdering "a gay".

 
at 1:25 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the christian. The bible clearly states that it is wrong to be gay amoung other sins....so get ready people because I think we are all sinners.

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from bible thumping christians, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.


Perhaps we will not be judged on if the act is right or wrong, but rather how we treat each other.

 
at 1:52 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazing. Some of you people just don't get it, do you? This isn't about "special rights". There is nothing in the words "sexual orientation" that specifically identifies WHICH sexual orientation. That means without this law, straight people could just as easily be denied a job or home if a gay employer or landlord doesn't like that fact that they are straight. It CAN go both ways, so THINK, people. It benefits the straight community as well.

 
at 2:58 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

well the unfortunate thing is liberals don't really care if their pet projects work or not just that they pass so that they can feel morally superior. they wanted hate crime legislation to protect minorites from "knuckle gragging red-necks" well guess who gets convicted of hate crimes the most? it aint the knuckle graggers......liberalism IS a mental disorder.

 
at 3:13 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is so stupid

 
at 4:06 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is very stupid...

before bashing us christians again, start quoting from the correct set of laws. we don't live under the old testament.

trying reading romans.

 
at 4:45 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I certainly agree they need EQUAL rights...but NOT special rights.

 
at 5:00 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please explain to me why any group deserves protected status. If the laws allow discrimination, they need to be re-written, not amended to protect one group then another. Isn't there someone out there intelligent enough to prevent people from being denied housing or a job without just cause?

 
at 5:04 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 10:54 AM, you are a knuckle-dragging moron. Your rant is unreadable.

Christianist nut job 12:27, go back to your hate-mongering mega church and stop pushing your cazed religion on us. Ditto for Anon bible thumper 4:06 who likes to pick and choose which parts of the bible he is going to follow. You are a bloody hypocrite.

1:25-GREAT POST! Bravo!!

And a special not to the Useless Idiot. We can all tell that you are deeply in the closet by the obsessive gay comments that you have been writing here for years. Come on out of the closet Idiot, you know that you want to.

 
at 7:24 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous imagine there's no religion said...

denied housing or a job without just cause?

thats the whole point you bushtard. a signficant number of people believe that your sexual orientation is sufficient grounds to discriminate against you and treat you as a second class citizen. all because of superstitions captured in a book called the "bible"

 
at 10:22 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to be proud of Cincinnati. But the more I learn about all these small-minded, self-centered, self-righteous idealogues who want to promote their own agendas at the expense of those different from themselves, the more disappointed and distressed I become.

Wake up, Cincinnati. The world is a complex, complicated place full of people different than you. The sooner you realize that your ideals are not the only "right" ones, the sooner you will come to enjoy the benefits of diversity and the fruits of inclusion.

 
at 11:32 PM, March 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The law says it is illegal to discriminate against, "sexual orientation" but that cannot be the real issue. How would I know of another person's "orientation" unless there was also "Sexual Behavior".

Such a law is unenforcable because "orientation" is not discernable. Say my "orientation" is adultery and I hit on all the married women at my job. Is that protected because I am "oriented" that way?

What about an "orientation" of pedophilia? Is my pedophilia protected? My "Oritnetation" of bestiality or "flashing?"

This bill makes no sense. Spell out what you mean do not use a cover name.

 
at 12:57 AM, March 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

.
"... usefullidiot said..."He was beaten...gay...it...had his head...with the throat...WHERE WAS THE PINK...HANGING GAYS??? 11:52 AM, March 11, 2008"

Typical wRong wingnut whacko, use-less ****ing idiot of the NAZI party (tnp) spewing the elephant dung propaganda while foot-tapping around all those hanging gays !

PATHETIC 'family values' !

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2008 !

 
at 10:17 AM, March 12, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

"We can all tell that you are deeply in the closet by the obsessive gay comments that you have been writing here for years."

BOLDBOY, she is confusing me with you.......by the way, Newport is installing wi-fi on Riverboat Row!

 
at 12:57 PM, March 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:04 PM here. No Useful Idiot, I WAS REFERRING TO YOU.

 
at 4:01 PM, March 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this one....

"before bashing us christians again, start quoting from the correct set of laws. we don't live under the old testament.

trying reading romans."

Typical jesus crispy....oh yes ignore the old testament....pick and choose for your cause....you should be ashamed of yourself. When you have to stand in front of your maker and answer for the hatefulness in your heart you will then see we are all god's children.

 
at 9:43 PM, March 12, 2008 Blogger sayswho? said...

Well, talk about discrimination! Let's take this to a new level. As we discuss who hates who, let's discuss who is invariably left on the hook. That would be employers and landlords. What about employees and renters?

Whatever kind of a bigot I am, if I'm a landlord I can be sued to death for saying something mean to a protected specie of human, then go to work and say the same thing to my boss, and there's nothing he can do. In the first case I'm a landloard and I'm in trouble, but in the second case I'm an employee and I'm untouchable.

Can someone explain what makes the difference? Never mind, I'll explain it for you. MONEY and VOTES! Landlords and employers are generally insured and have at least some money, but they are a very small voting block. Therefore they're the ideal target for lawyers. That, in a nutshell, is what this is really all about.

Any of the things that are freely being said on this blog, regardless of viewpoint, would be an actionable offense if said by a landloard or employer to a tenant or employee.

BTW, same thing regarding teachers and students.

 
at 1:09 PM, March 13, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who-Spare us your 'woe is me You do not have the right to deny someone housing based on discrimination. You have to rent to Black people, to Jewish people, to Gay people, Latinos, and so on. If you don't like it, get out of the rental business.

 
at 8:57 PM, March 13, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 1:09
Ever owned rental property? Didn't think so.
I did get out of the rental business. It's easy for you to say you have to rent to everybody, but you may feel differently if you personally experienced your investments getting trashed by renters who won't take out their garbage, won't clean anything, punch holes in the walls and turn the heat up and leave the windows cracked open.
By the time I got frustrated enough to get out, my property values went down to the point I barely survived bankruptcy.
You can preach all you want, but when reality sets in, you know you've been had.

 
at 10:14 PM, March 13, 2008 Blogger sayswho? said...

Let's try this one more time. A landloard must not dicriminate against a tenant. I didn't say he should. But the tenat can dicrimainte against the landloard. He can say straight to the landloard's face, "I won't rent from you because you're white/black/Jewish/gay." He can say, "I'll pay my rent when I get around to it, you #*%@ing Jew/black/white/gay" and there will be no lawsuit. Let's really go after equality and put renters and employees under the same microscope as landloards and employers. Why aren't all the gay activists out there campaigning against dicrimaination by tenants against gay landloards? You think there's no gay landloards?

 
at 10:15 AM, March 14, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

sayswho?,

Save your breath my freind..you are up against a moveon.org socialist with no practical experience in making a buck. Her rhetorical BS (Bolshevik Storytelling) is all centered around the elite ruling class and re-distribution Noam Chomsky claptrap.

But fear not, for she is in DC this weekend trying to re-kindle the Winter Soldier crap from '71.

 
at 11:12 AM, March 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:57 I agree with you. I had the same situation in Westwood. Nice property that not only lost value, but got trashed.

 
at 11:16 AM, March 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Useless Idiot, Come out of the closet already, pal. You are one sad character, leaving comments on this board-and who knows how many others-day and night, and under a multitude of names. You lead a very sad life. I bet that this is all you have in life, isn't it?

Funny, you perpetually think it's 1963 and the commies are coming for you any minute. You are a paranoid, right wing extremist freak, and you desperately need mental help. The Dems are going to surge to power in November, and you are going to be miserable for years to come. Perhaps you should consider leaving the Country, for your own sake. And please don't let the door hit you in your *ss on the way out. Idiot.

 
at 11:35 AM, March 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who-My family has owned rental properties around Greater Cincinnati for decades. Add to that the fact that my spouse is a lawyer who practises landlord/tenant law representing landlords. Lawsuits for discrimination almost never happen. That is a right-wing urban myth. Simple fact. Yes, sometimes you have a unit that gets damaged. Boo hoo. you go after the tenant and recover damages. If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

Sorry, but you are going to have to come up with another lie to excuse your bigoted homophobia.

 
at 1:13 PM, March 14, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

Funny, you perpetually think it's 1963"

Uh....don't you mean 1953????

McCarthy era, right??

Dems (Kennedy) were in charge in 1963, honey

PATHETIC!!

 
at 1:22 PM, March 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:35 Around Greater Cincinnati is a pretty vague description and you have a resident lawyer who can bail you out without incurring large legal fees. Consider yourself lucky.
You probably are wealthy and maybe your property is in Blue Ash, Amberley?
Ever own any property in lower Price Hill and/or Westwood?
You sound pretty arrogant, but you may just be in court constantly.
When you sue for damages, you must have renters that can pay the judgment.
Additionally, how do you recover extreme loss of value or do you somehow sue for that too?

 
at 3:49 PM, March 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Spouse does not represent my Family-conflict of interest. My Spouse represents one of the largest apartment complex owners in the region, as well as many individuals who have one or two buildings. The vast majority of court appearances are evictions for non payment of rent. and it happens in Price Hill, Westwood and Avondale as well as Mason, Montgomery, Blue Ash, Ft. Tomas and elsewhere. It comes with the territory. If you don't want to deal with it, then get out of the business. In the 8 years my spouse has been representing their largest client, they have not had anyone so much as threaten to sue them for discrimination. Not even once. Believe it or not, the burden of proof is rather high.

1:22, the key is having an attorney who knows how to collect the judgement, through wage garnishments, bank account garnishments, etc. It is a specialised area of the law, and most attorneys who do not practise in this area do not know how to practise in this area. Also having a well written lease helps as does meticulous documentation. if you are a sloppy business person then your revenue is going to reflect your sloppiness.

Of course right wingers don't bother themselves with silly things like 'facts'. they are much more content to go on hysterical myths, rumours and innuendo, or something that you heard the drug addict Rush Limbaugh say.

 
at 5:24 PM, March 14, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

"In the 8 years my spouse has been representing their largest client, they have not had anyone so much as threaten to sue them for discrimination. Not even once. Believe it or not, the burden of proof is rather high."

"Of course right wingers don't bother themselves with silly things like 'facts'."

Thanks for making the "Right Wingers" case....given your statement, the need for extra law is not needed!!!!

 
at 12:17 AM, March 15, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come out of the Closet, Idiot. You are clearly so gay that you make the members of the Village People look hetero by comparison.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 
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