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Friday, April 11, 2008

Trouble in "deal" paradise?

UPDATE: Read Jessica Brown's story in this morning's Enquirer here.




As first noted on Citybeat's "Porkopolis" blog, there is speculation that the Democratic Party may indeed endorse a candidate in the Hamilton County Commission race – against the wishes of its chairman, Timothy Burke.



“Let me make it very clear. I would oppose any endorsement at this point,” said Burke. "But if you’re asking if I have veto power, I don’t have any veto power."



There are rumblings that the party’s 197 member central committee (the governing body of the party), may be asked at their April 21 meeting to endorse Crosby Township Trustee Chris Dole to run against Republican-endorsed Greg Hartmann for the commission seat being vacated by Republican commissioner Pat DeWine.



Dole threw his name in the ring as an independent after Burke and then-Republican Party Chairman George Vincent agreed on a deal in which the Democrats wouldn’t run anyone against Hartmann, who currently is the county's Clerk of Courts.



In exchange the Republicans agreed not to run anyone against Democratic commissioner Todd Portune. (Hyde Park realtor Ed Rothenberg is running against Portune as a Republican, but the party has so far declined to endorse him.)


Burke said he doesn’t know of any immediate plans for a Democratic endorsement of Dole. But it's no secret that some people didn't agree with the deal.


“Someone may try to force a vote at the central committee meeting by putting a motion” on the floor, Burke said.


Dole said he plans to try to get the Democratic endorsement. He's not on the central committee, but he too believes someone will present a motion, though he wouldn’t name names. And he thinks if a motion is made, he’d have enough support in the central committee.


Burke said his stance against an endorsement is not personal. He admitted that Dole’s a respected trustee and has shown himself to be a motivated candidate.


“I give the guy a lot of credit,” Burke said of Dole’s ability to get the thousands of signatures needed to get on the ballot. “He’s a decent guy. But for better or worse, we made – I made – a commitment on behalf of the party not to endorse a candidate in the race. I believe it’s for the better. I am sticking with that position.”


51 Comments:

at 7:17 PM, April 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be toooo sweeeet if this sham non-election scam fell apart!

The good-old-boys party is getting raided.
Please somebody, anybody run against King Simon and retire his sorry, crazy old _utt..

 
at 7:55 PM, April 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

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We don't think the committee should go against their elected leader, but, Dole may have earned the endorsement !

The real problem is that many did not put their name in the hat out of respect for Harris !

The 12 hr. deal was a slap in the face to those individualls, PERIOD !


 
at 9:28 PM, April 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

For how much longer will democrats allow this most undemocratic of Democrat Party chairs to govern without accountability?

 
at 9:48 PM, April 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't voting about people saying "I think this is the best person for the job"? All this conspiring and agreeing seems underhanded. ----Lisa81

 
at 10:35 PM, April 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The deal was very smart for both political parties. Whether people want to admit it or not. However, I think Dole is an exceptional candidate, conversely Rothenberg is a greedy fool - so, my opinion is, if there was ever a time to take a long-shot chance -- it's now.

Portune is the most honest politician we have had in decades and has significant support from both Democrats and Republicans. He has proven he is his own man and works to the best of his ability in the public's interest.

Dole's pedigree is exceptional. Not a "do as I say, not as I do" kind of guy - and with all the corruption, favoritism, etc. - he is exactly what is needed in this county.

Hartmann - well, he's not even a native of Hamilton County - he's a transplant with big bucks that bought his position in the first place and should never have been given the nod for Clerk of Courts much less heading for the BOCC

 
at 10:55 PM, April 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good for Burke. He shouldn't let Todd throw him under the boss anymore.

 
at 11:15 PM, April 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a refreshing development, especially since Hartmann is so beatable.

Now we need someone to run against Deters, Leis, and Brayshaw.

Let's not just defeat the Repugs, we can put them out of business.

 
at 11:34 PM, April 09, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke is a good man and one who understands the politics of the city. Those of you who might think otherwise need to get your heads out of the clouds and get your minds in the game. He knows what he is doing.

Don't vote to endorse Dole. I know that I won't.

 
at 8:29 AM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This smells of protectionism !

Any reasonable jury would conclude, from circumstantial evidence, that he drove to the drive-tru for coffee to straighten up and passed-out !

This goes to the bigger question about Dole:

Why, in the last 35 years, has Dole there not been a LOCAL white-collar lawmaker?

Perhaps, good-old boy, farmer style protectionism

 
at 8:36 AM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the DEMOCRATS endorse Dole, then the REPUBLICANS should endorse someone to run against Todd Portune. The DEMOCRATS knew if they did not present this deal, Portune would be history.

 
at 9:29 AM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an independent-minded Republican who plans to vote for Hartmann and Portune this November, I am still dismayed by this back-door deal. Political parties are about running candidates and debating issues. Voters are cheated when deals like these are made. Just because someone wins your party's nomination doesn't mean you have to give them gobs of money if they turn out to be a lousy candidate. But let the voters decide elections, not an "if you don't run someone against our guy, we won't run someone against your guy" arrangement.

 
at 9:58 AM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke needs to scuttle this endorsement. I don't like the deal, but with the new GOP chair, I'm worried what he may have up his sleeve. He helped Bush steal Hamilton Co. four years ago. He could clean our clocks if we provoke him.

 
at 10:02 AM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Portune is paranoid and Burke is lazy.

Anyone who loves democracy should join me in voting for Dole and Rothenberg this fall, to send a message to the party hacks.

 
at 10:02 AM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would think that any endorsement from the republican party would be certain death for it's candidate. As the GOP has become the party of greedy criminals with no compassion what kind of person would seek such an endorsement.

 
at 10:44 AM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only good thing about the 'deal' is that it guarantees that DeWine is out of local politics. He is the last COAST member in office, and it finishes off that right wing wacko group's toes to power. And good riddance to them. Even if DeWine wins the judge's seat, he is out of policy making for good.

With the strong Dem turnout this fall, Dole has a great chance of beating Hartmann just by virtue of having a D next to his name.

 
at 12:01 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dole cannot have a D next to his name no matter what happens, he didn't run in teh primary. And if the Dems were to endorse Dole there is nothing to stop the R's from pulling Rothenburg off and replacing him with a stronger candidate that will have an R next to their name.

 
at 1:38 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

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" Anonymous said...Burke needs to scuttle this endorsement. I don't like the deal, but with the new GOP chair, I'm worried what he may have up his sleeve. He helped Bush steal Hamilton Co. four years ago. He could clean our clocks if we provoke him. 9:58 AM, April 10, 2008"

Don't let the wRong wingnut whackos intimidate you, it is the XXX judge Tryintofoolyou !

PATHETIC 'family values' !

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DOLE, DAVIS, COATES, GOOD and METZ 2008 !

 
at 1:56 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Burke is lazy"

That is anything but true. Tim works his butt off. He may have problems getting things done sometimes but that is largely because there are so many worthless voices at the table screaming to be heard.

Say what you will about Tim, but NOBODY works harder than he does.

 
at 2:17 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Strong Dem turnout this fall? What makes everyone think that the "Dems" are going to show up in November? Half the party is split right now and it's Mid-April. You're going to have a candidate come September, that's a three month campaign.

Let me quote Howard Dean, "The real issue is this: Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the battlefields of Vietnam?"

Good luck Dems!

 
at 2:34 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Turnout will be sky high just to ensure that the Repugnicants who started the illegal and costly war and are in the middle of causing perhaps the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression are shown the door.

Can we move the elections up, in order to give the Democrats that much more time to clean up the Repugs' messes?

 
at 3:10 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the comments left at 2:17, what the heck does serving in the army, navy, marines, or any other form of our armed services have to do with being a leader. Isn't it true that the armed services operate a lot like our corupt police here in the states, protect your own at all cost, even when you are wrong, cover mistakes up and answer to nobody. Don't get me wrong, I'm very greatful for the security and protection our armed services provide. But for you to suggest that because John McSame served in the Vietnam war he is therefore more qualified to lead this nation and our armed services is crazy.

I'm willing to bet that there are many many more, who like me, think that someone who speaks of 100 year war in Iraq has lost his mind. This occupation we have in Iraq has NOTHING to do with security and everything to do with failed policy. Had our cowboy diplomatic efforts been reigned in by the party in power in 2003 (GOP) we wouldn't be engaged in an unending 12 billion dollar a month occupation. We wouldn't have lost over 4,000 soldiers and countless more with life altering injuries.

I would much prefer a leader who brings fresh ideas and shows the rest of the world that not all Americans are greedy ignorant pigs like Bush and the rest of the GOP. Just wait till the general election when either Obama or Clinton get to debate the old man McSame. The GOP is DEAD.

 
at 4:13 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

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"The real issue is this: Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the battlefields of Vietnam?"

PATHETIC 'family values'

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2008 !

 
at 4:17 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 3:10 - Democrats sure thought that serving in the military had a lot do do with being a leader when John Kerry ran for President. Remember his salute and "Reporting for duty" at the Dem. Convention? How soon you all forget when it's convenient for you.

 
at 4:39 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO they didn't, what they (we) liked about John Kerry was that he had the balls and leadership to stand up and speak out against the vietnam war. Another sorry period in American history.

 
at 5:24 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our current president is an AWOL draft-dodging drunj cokehead.

 
at 7:22 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Typical Democrat said...

1992 - military service doesn't matter

1996 - military service doesn't matter

2000 - how dare you vote against the candidate who served in the military?

2004 - how dare you vote against the candidate who won military medals?

2008 - military service doesn't matter

 
at 7:42 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The foot-tapping Bold Typist can serve you well.

 
at 10:40 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"1992 - military service doesn't matter
1996 - military service doesn't matter
2000 - how dare you vote against the candidate who served in the military?
2004 - how dare you vote against the candidate who won military medals?
2008 - military service doesn't matter"

Well, in 92 and 96 it kinda didn't matter--we weren't at war and the country had different priorities. And I'd have to say that turned out pretty well for America.

In 2008, nobody is saying that it doesn't matter, it is that McCain's service is only a consideration. The Presidency isn't a birthright or a reward for a life of service. If it was, then McCain would be a shoo-in. The Presidency is a new opportunity to serve and to lead this county in the direction that the citizens feel that it should go. The thing is, McCain has some very dangerous foreign policy positions that we should all question.

And, btw, we should question them with respect. McCain has certainly earned that.

 
at 10:56 PM, April 10, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I am a lifelong repugnantkin, I really respect Luken for taking a stand on principle. Portune needs to go. He should be admired for his valiant battle with his medical problems, but he has done a miserable job as a politician. Don't confuse the two.

 
at 12:06 AM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke and I never got along - but he was right to make the deal and it should be kept.
Hopefully, the public will back Dole because he is simply the better man in the contest against Hartmann - maybe he can pull off an "Obama" and garner a movement for Hamilton County residents

 
at 7:18 AM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reagan didn't serve in the military, but Carter did. W dodged the draft while Kerry volunteered. Hillary is a woman and couldn't serve combat duty if she wanted to in Vietnam. (Most women still don't enroll.) And Obama was too young to be in Vietnam. McCain did serve -- and I respect that. But not enough to vote for him. His son isn't in the military even though he is so gung ho about the Iraqi war. Obama and Hillary Clinton might not have served overseas, but unlike the current president, they have at least been overseas before running for president.

But none of this has anything to do with whether or not to support Dole for county commissioner -- which I plan on doing.

 
at 8:12 AM, April 11, 2008 Blogger Hamilton County Voter said...

Actually nor Dole or Rothenburg can have a party name on the ballot because neither one ran for a party election in the primary.

"Dole cannot have a D next to his name no matter what happens, he didn't run in teh primary. And if the Dems were to endorse Dole there is nothing to stop the R's from pulling Rothenburg off and replacing him with a stronger candidate that will have an R next to their name."

 
at 10:28 AM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, Rothenburg did run in the primary, Dole did not. There is a differnce.

 
at 10:31 AM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous jail for dale said...

This isn't the first dirty deal Tim's put together. let's not forget about his efforts to get Dale Mallory the Dem endorsement in exchange for his efforts to hold silent, the opposition to Citylink. Does Tim think that importing convicts from the prison system to live in Cincinnati is benificial to the voters/taxpayers of Cincinnati and Hamilton County? If you want to know how Citylink will operate take a look at the VOA's sex offender program. Once they're here they tend to stay, so I guess you can building the criminal population in the City and Hamilton County is high on Tim's list of things to accomplish.

 
at 12:00 PM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Up with Dole.

Down with Burke!

 
at 12:04 PM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually McCain does have a son serving in the military, who either is or will be soon headed to Iraq. Look it up.

 
at 1:03 PM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Reagan didn't serve in the military, but Carter did."

Reagan did serve in the military. He was stateside and filming training movies for the Army Air Corps. His eyesight was too bad to serve in a combat role. Typical Dem lying about GOP record.

 
at 1:50 PM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Well, in 92 and 96 it kinda didn't matter--we weren't at war and the country had different priorities. And I'd have to say that turned out pretty well for America."

Hate to break it to you pal, but we were at war in 1992 and 2000. It was a war with radical Islam tha Clinton was too much of a coward to fight, and it didn't turn out very well for America.

February 1993 - World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.

June 1996 - Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.

August 1998 - United States
embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.

October 2000 - USS Cole bombing, 56 killed.

 
at 1:56 PM, April 11, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

Bill Clinton's Dec. 3, 1969 Letter to ROTC Colonel
I am sorry to be so long in writing. I know I promised to let you hear from me at least once a month, and from now on you will, but I have had to have some time to think about this first letter. Almost daily since my return to England I have thought about writing, about what I want to and ought to say.

First, I want to thank you, not just for saving me from the draft, but for being so kind and decent to me last summer, when I was as low as I have ever been. One thing which made the bond we struck in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for you personally. In retrospect, it seems that the admiration might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me, about my political beliefs and activities. At least you might have thought me more fit for the draft than for ROTC.

Let me try to explain. As you know, I worked for two years in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for the experience and the salary but also for the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter lightly but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did.

I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations Oct. 15 and Nov. 16.

Interlocked with the war is the draft issue, which I did not begin to consider separately until early 1968. For a law seminar at Georgetown I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and against allowing, within the Selective Service System, the classification of selective conscientious objection for those opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to `participation in war in any form.' From my work I came to believe that the draft system itself is illegitimate. No government really rooted in limited, parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong, a war which, in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation.

The draft was justified in World War II because the life of the people collectively was at stake. Individuals had to fight, if the nation was to survive, for the lives of their countrymen and their way of life. Vietnam is no such case. Nor was Korea an example where, in my opinion, certain military action was justified but the draft was not, for the reasons stated above.

Because of my opposition to the draft and the war. I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill and maybe die for their country (i.e. the particular policy of a particular government) right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. His country needs men like him more than they know. That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity.

The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason: to maintain my political viability within the system. For years I have worked to prepare myself for a political life characterized by both practical political ability and concern for rapid social progress. It is a life I still feel compelled to try to lead. I do not think our system of government is by definition corrupt, however dangerous and inadequate it has been in recent years. (The society may be corrupt, but that is not the same thing, and if that is true, we are all finished anyway.) When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the one way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance. Going on with my education, even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law School because there is nothing else I can do. In fact, I would like to have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and in the process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to begin putting what I have learned to use.

But the particulars of my personal life are not nearly as important to me as the principles involved. After I signed the ROTC letter of intent, I began to wonder whether the compromise I had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft would have been, because I had no interest in the ROTC program in itself and all I seemed to have done was to protect myself from physical harm. Also, I began to think I had deceived you, not by lies--there were none--but by failing to tell you all the things I'm writing now. I doubt that I had the mental coherence to articulate them then.

At that time, after we had made our agreement and you had sent my 1-D deferment to my draft board, the anguish and loss of my self-regard and self-confidence really set in. I hardly slept for weeks and kept going by eating compulsively and reading until exhaustion brought sleep. Finally, on Sept. 12 I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board, saying basically what is in the preceding paragraph, thanking him for trying to help in a case where he really couldn't, and stating that I couldn't do the ROTC after all and would he please draft me as soon as possible.

I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it on me every day until I got on the plane to return to England. I didn't mail the letter because I didn't see, in the end, how my going in the Army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved. So I came back to England to try to make something of this second year of my Rhodes scholarship.

And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.

Forgive the length of this letter. There was much to say. There is still a lot to be said, but it can wait. Please say hello to Col. Jones for me.

Merry Christmas.

Sincerely, Bill Clinton.

 
at 2:05 PM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

H=Being an outsider (I thankfully do not live in Hamilton County) I thought this deal stunk from the get go. Citizens should be allowed to elect who they want to run government not who the parties want to run government.

Is it any wonder based off these type of deals why people are flocking to other counties in this area?

Wake up folks.

 
at 2:30 PM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon 3:10 p.m.

I never said it did matter, but Howard Dean did.

 
at 5:45 PM, April 11, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jessica!!! Portune is THE ARCHITECK the Deal! He was also THE ARCHITECK of a deal with Winburn before DeWine got out of the race! Portune has a LONG history of making deals like this with Republicans.

 
at 11:19 AM, April 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read this blog from time to time, usualy at work during down time. Often times I see comments from the 'usefullidiot' and I am amazed at some of the garbage that he/she is so proud to bore us all with. To continue to drudge up what most people would agree is nothing more than trash about President Bill Clinton so many years after the fact speaks volumes about your useless input on anything newsworthy. I do however wonder and picture you as some loser sitting there at the keyboard night and day trying to defend todays idiots and divert attention back to yesterdays news. It's sad that you focus so much of your time and energy on such useless drivel. It's never entertaining and does nothing to further inteligent debate.

 
at 5:12 PM, April 12, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

"...... divert attention back to yesterdays news....."

"He who doth not to remember the past, shall be doomed to repeat it."

 
at 5:36 PM, April 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can bet that the UselessIdiot never served his Country.

Like all of the die hard, warmongering 19-percenters, he is a Certified CHICKENHAWK.

 
at 10:29 PM, April 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

.
Anonymous said...your useless input on anything newsworthy. I do however wonder and picture you as some loser sitting there at the keyboard night and day trying to defend todays idiots and divert attention back to yesterdays news. It's sad that you focus so much of your time and energy on such useless drivel. It's never entertaining and does nothing to further intelligent debate. 11:19 AM, April 12, 2008"

The use-less ****ing idiot of the NAZI party (tnp) is a.k.a. Charles Foster Kane !

PATHETIC 'family values'

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2008 !

 
at 10:35 PM, April 12, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good thoughtful post 11:19. But what's "inteligent" debate?

 
at 7:47 AM, April 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 10:35,

See these blogs? "intelligent debate" is the opposite.

BTW, it does not advance the debate to pick on people's spelling.

 
at 10:33 AM, April 14, 2008 Blogger usefullidiot said...

......You can bet that the UselessIdiot never served his Country.........

I do every day, and I have pay-stubs to prove it!!

...The use-less ****ing idiot of the NAZI party (tnp) is a.k.a. Charles Foster Kane !....

Negative! I have a better sense of timing on the tambourine!!!!!

 
at 8:15 PM, April 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

.
" usefullidiot said..."...... divert attention back to yesterdays news....." "He who doth not to remember the past, shall be doomed to repeat it." 5:12 PM, April 12, 2008"

And that, my friend, is why the wRong wingnut whackos are being sent down the river in chains !

PATHETIC 'family values' !

HAD ENOUGH, VOTE DEMOCRAT 2008 !

 
at 9:53 PM, April 14, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:47 - wasn't trying to "advance the debate". Just a little funny (to me anyway) that someone making an intelligence determination, can't spell it (or, at least post before the 5th beer). Oh well.
Cheers.

 
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