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Tuesday, March 04, 2008

CPS cheered by early report, but they got wrong one

Ben Fischer reports:

UPDATE: CPS supporters now say they heard the original report wrong. Those numbers are inverted. It's 59.4 percent AGAINST in the early counts... (OOPS)

From a source CPS supporters have at the Board of Elections: Approximately 17,000 votes counted, with 59.4 percent voting "yes" and 40 percent voting "no."

That's considered good news, because usually absentee voters are slightly less friendly to tax hikes than the general populace. When those results were announced, the CPS levy party erupted in cheers.

"I dont know what this is at this point," said campaign coordinator
Jan Leslie. "We know we saw a lot of people voting early, and we know it was record absentee as well. We were telling people, and the Obama people were telling people to vote early. We're cautiously optimistic."


at 11:03 PM, March 04, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

HA - HA!!

at 12:27 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous EJ said...

Looks like the levy won. Congratulations!

at 12:35 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Passed by 1,430 votes.
Thank you each and every one.

at 6:02 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, how do 1,430 votes represent a "stunning victory"?

Apparently some people think they're put on this earth to give their money to other people who think they're put on this earth to take it.

at 7:30 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

the levy squeaked by, no help from the enquirer which failed to offer anything positive. we need to move past the monkey boy, his tax cuts for the rich and "our kids is learning" to a point where we realize that our youth is our future and that there is no better money spent than money on education.

at 8:08 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to sell my house and move out of the city limits. CPS does not deserve such a high boost in revenues until it can prove that it can be fiscally responsible. To all you at CPS, thanks for making real estate taxes in the city some of the highest in the state. To all you uneducated voters who voted yes...thank you for your selfishness.

at 8:14 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm thoroughly disgusted that CPS had to sneak this levy onto a primary ballot after voters so heavily rejected their proposal just 4 months ago. Now they can go back to squandering our tax dollars again. Can we put up an anti-levy item on the ballot again this fall? (Since CPS puts a levy on every ballot until enough voters forget that it's going on, and they can finally win by sneaking behind everyone's back.) What a joke, just like that administration and school system. They'd better learn to spend our stolen money well this time, because they won't get so lucky next time if they continue wasting taxes like they have been.

at 8:22 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Eudora said...

Very nice job. Razor thin victory but a win is a win.

Our own district where I grew up won by 2 votes last November and that held up during a recount. I was very happy about that.

Congratulations again.

at 9:29 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous ej said...

It would be nice to see a breakdown of how each Cincy neighborhood voted - but that's just out of curiosity.

I hope to see more & more improvements as the months go by. Congrats.

Aren't there some organization/management/efficiency results coming out soon?

at 10:53 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

This levy should not have passed. CPS does not deserve this additional funding. My guess is that the majority of people who voted for it are not property owners. Rather, they are renters. Well, my tenants can definitely expect letters in their mailboxes concerning a substantial rent increase. Between the high cost of utilities and the upcoming increase in property taxes, I have no choice. Ok, you suckers...what are you going to do when CPS comes back to voters in 2-3 years with their hand out, again, but with no improvement in the system?

at 11:05 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole situation makes me ill. I was sick to my stomach voting against the school levy for a second time but had to. For all the talk about this being for the children, the truth is it's for the bureaucracy. We continue to overpay for poor quality and zero accountability. The voters will live to regret this.

at 11:06 AM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 7:30 a.m., I would agree with you, except that the money is NOT spent on education. The money goes to buildings, teacher and administrative salaries, even the ones who should be in some other profession, tearing down nearly new buildings (the building that housed Withrow University was only ten years old...it is now a parking lot), and lots of other crap.

What is really sad is that this has been going on in CPS for many years. How do I know? 20 years ago, when I had children in CPS, I was very involved in my children's education. As a PTA officer and member of the state PTA council, I attended all CPS Board meetings, knew a lot of teachers, and really educated myself about what was going on in CPS. What I discovered is that education did not appear to be the top priority. Classrooms were overcrowded, there were probably as many administrators as there were teachers, some of the teachers were absolutely terrible, but if they had tenure, there was nothing CPS could do about dismissing that teacher. If you were African American, you were treated like second class citizens and worse. Today, little has changed. Classrooms are still overcrowded, there continues to be too many administrators, there are teachers who should not be teaching (remember Taft Elementary?, and schools are more segregated than they were 20 years ago.

at 12:07 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:08 Time to sell my house and move out of the city limits...

how ironic that the party and philosophy that you love so dearly has turned around and stuck a knife in you with the collapse of the economy thanks to their illegal occupation of iraq and total incompetence at governance.

at 12:11 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous lets tax everyone to build a stadium and a jail said...

11:06 The money goes to buildings, teacher and administrative salaries...

sorry to break the news to you, but those are all legitimate education expenses. i don't think there's a tougher less appreciated job in the world than teaching. too bad we can't put a cap on ceo pay and use the difference to fund education. we'd all be better off.

at 12:16 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 7:30 AM - the problem is that the money is NOT spent on education...rather it goes to buildings, inflated teacher & administrative salaries & benefits and lots of other crap.

This has been going on at CPS for years. How do I know? When my children were in CPS 20 years ago, I was very involved in their education...as PTA President, a member of the State PTA Council and school volunteer. I attended all CPS meetings (at that time, many meetings were closed to the public...that should tell you something), did lots of volunteer work and really educated myself about the workings of CPS. At that time, there were almost as many administrators as teachers, incompetent teachers remained in the classroom because they were tenured (and believe me, there were some bad ones), classes were overcrowded, and if you were African American, you were treated like a second class citizen.

Twenty years later, CPS is still top heavy with administrators, bad teachers are still in the classroom (Taft Elementary is a good example, and that situation went on for years before CPS did anything about it), overcrowded classrooms are the norm, they tear down perfectly good buildings (the 10 year old Withrow University building is now a parking lot) and the schools are more segregated than ever before. So, whatever the money is used for, education is not the top prioity.

at 12:20 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPS is not perfect. But it is improving. And to keep that progress going it needed reliable funding.

50.82% of voters last night gave the children of Cincinnati what they needed to keep learning and growing. Thanks to all of you.

And to the 49.18% who voted no, please watch our kids' progress and encourage them to shine. They are a part of your future as well.

at 1:04 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

cps has a new board. they have taken steps to show that can be fiscally responsible by creating the financial dashboard, making things more transparent and implementing changes from the mckinsey study.

to punish the kids of cincinnati for mistakes made by former board members is just selfish and stupid.

at 1:42 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 12:20...CPS HAD RELIABLE funding! The problem is that it cannot prove that it is fiscally responsible! Why is the cost per student significantly higher at CPS, or why is the cost paid by property owner signifantly higher than areas that have much better schools. Until you can prove fiscal responsibility, stop with you bleading heart tactics. They do nothing but hide the true issues that CPS continually fail to address.

at 2:12 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

The funding from levies can be relied on to remain flat as inflation and costs increase. That's not "reliable funding."

The cost per student as a measurement is a red herring. That figure is inflated by things that have nothing to do with educating children in CPS: charter schools, vouchers, transportation to private, parochial and charter schools, and exhorbitantly expensive special education accommodations. Add to this that 65% of children in CPS live in poverty it's understandable that the rate is higher than in Indian Hill. Our kids come to school hungry. Their kids come to school in sports cars.

And even the Enquirer reported that CPS is in the middle of property tax rates for schools in the surrounding area, not "significantly higher."

I'll come back to it again. CPS is not perfect. That is why children and adults are working hard every day to learn as much as they can. They're making progress but there's more to do. And now they can get on with that without the fear of losing so much of what will help make that possible.

at 3:04 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 2:12 PM, I, to, will come back to it again. THIS INCOMPETENCE on the part of CPS has been going on for at least 20 years! Are property owners supposed to continue to pour money into a dysfunctional school system for another 20? When should we see some results that will make us feel that the financial sacrifices were worth it?

at 3:05 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Eudora said...

I think CPS owes a big huge 'thank you' to Barack Obama. It was the Obama crowd including the younger "apartment-dwelling" folks who live in the Cincinnati neighborhoods that gave you that edge. :)

It should now be called 'The Barack Obama Cincinnati Public School District.' That certainly would get you more funding.

at 3:08 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Harold Schuler said...

With the passage of the levy there goes my Homestead Act tax relief.
Does anybody know of someone buying a refrigerator in the near future? I'll need the cardboard box to live in when I move under the Ludlow Viaduct.

at 9:27 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:07 PM

"how ironic that the party and philosophy that you love so dearly has turned around and stuck a knife in you with the collapse of the economy thanks to their illegal occupation of iraq and total incompetence at governance."

Your statement smells of the liberal and democratic spin that has been propogated and is totally ignorant. You really need to go get an education on the economy to see where the mess is coming from and who truely is to blame.

The number 1 and number 2 biggest and fastest growing programs are entitlements, namely Medicare and Medicaid, which make up 23.1% of the budget. They alone are bankrupting the economy, not Iraq, and are growing at such a rate that they are nothing but a ticking time bomb. Yet, no one ever wants to say anything about them, just like no one wants to do anything about another entitlement, social security which makes up another 20.2% of spending. It is entitlements, which total 43.3% of the budget, that are killing our economy. They are also more responsible to the eroding dollar as the US continues to have to borrow money. And it is this eroding dollar which is causing inflation and is the main contributor to increased gas prices.

Add in welfare, which is another 12.7%, and these programs make up 56% of the budget, where as Defense is only 19%.

And now the liberals want to add another entitlement in Universal Healthcare, and always support things like this wasteful levy.

Now lets talk about NAFTA, which has cause many jobs to leave the U.S., also contributing to the erosion of the economy, more so in Ohio.

Who initiated all these programs, which are the true reason for the collapse of our economy....you got that right, the democrats.

So think about that, and get educated on the facts, before you spew false propoganda and lies. But then again, you are probably a liberal and think everything should be an entitlement or believe in throwing more money at problems with the hope that they go away. No consideration is ever made to who has to pay for it today or who has to pay for it in the future.

I will stand by the fact that CPS wastes money, is not fiscally responsible, and did not deserve this increase.

at 9:28 PM, March 05, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the city of Cincinnati wonders why people continue to move out of the city into the suburbs.... What idiots!

at 8:53 AM, March 06, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all of you who demand results, please define what results would please you. These are results the district has already achieved:

--Graduation rate has increased dramatically.
--Graduation gap between white and black seniors eliminated.
--More students are testing at the proficient level.
--More schools moving into the Continuous Improvement level.
--By the new Value Added measurement of the Ohio Dept. of Education, most schools are teaching more than a year's worth of education in a year's time.

Many of the kids in our district start out with nothing or less than nothing--65% live in poverty. CPS is working hard to educate children while combatting the effects of problems such as homelessness and neglect.

And yet the children in CPS are making progress and are deserving of your support.

at 10:27 AM, March 06, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

to all the selfish folks complaining about this levy,

what do you wants your kids to do after school? if the levy didnt pass, athletics and after school activities would have been cut across the board.

would you rather have our kids sell drugs and hang out on the streets as the new after school curriculum?

at 11:34 AM, March 06, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

Selfish folks complaining about this levy? Give me a break...since when is it the communities responsibility to keep your children occupied? What about all the parents who refuse to take responsibility for their children? And what about the parents that refuse to let the schools to discipline their children. You can't have your cake and eat it too! This "It takes a village mentality" is a crock! How about encouraging a little personal responsibility and in cases where others watch your children, let them do their jobs.

at 12:48 PM, March 06, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I was in school, not only were there no after school activities, we also did not have computers, video games, there were only three television channels that shut down at 8 pm. So what did we do?...We did our homework, read books, played games with our siblings/parents, worked crossword puzzles, worked on our hobbies (you know, all those things that make you use your brain). We attended girl scout, boy scout and other youth group meetings, rehearsed with the junior/children's choirs which sang in church on Sunday mornings (yes, we went to church). We went swimming in the local pool in summer and sled riding in winter. Our parens worked, but always found time to spend with the children. We graduated from high school (there was no discussion, we just did), graduated from college (and had a job, if necessary, to make that happen). What we did NOT do was sit in front of the computer for hours or have a video game in our hands as we sat on the couch munching on potato chips. We didn't carry guns, sell or use drugs. We did not place so much importance on a pair of Nikes that we were willing to steal to own them. I realize that growing up today is not easy, but give me a break. These things happen WITH after school activities...so come up with another excuse as to why we should put out more money to CPS for after school programs.

at 3:00 PM, March 06, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay, you grew up in the 1950s. thanks for telling us your age. guess what, the world has changed. go read any educational research report and you will understand the benefit of after school activities.

"We did our homework, read books, played games with our siblings/parents, worked crossword puzzles, worked on our hobbies "

when did you graduate high school? before or after kennedy?

at 6:17 PM, March 06, 2008 Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess you're one of those parents who blame the teacher when their kid doesn't do their homework and gets bad grades, or protests when the schools try to discipline your child. Give me a break. Take responsibility for your kid's life!

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